While the Supreme Daleks’ ship plummets to the Earth’s surface, out of control, the sixth Doctor and Maxil argue about the Keeper’s plan. The Doctor agrees, however, that there’s no longer anything he can do about it, and Maxil announces that he will now leave in his TARDIS.
The Supreme Dalek demands that Maxil hand over the TARDIS instead, but the Doctor interferes, telling the Daleks to let Maxil go as they can’t use the TARDIS without the Rassilon Imprimature! (As mentioned in “The Two Doctors”)
Yay! New page. Thanks, and what exactly is the Rassilon Imprimature- or is it a lie?
Sweet! Second post. Love Six and Maxil facing off again.
more of 9 & 10 please
Derek, you see in the “two doctors” the sontarians were trying to build a tardis but they couldn’t use it without one important key, the Rassilon Imprimature which is contained in every timelord’s body,not sure where because they never said it but the sontarians used a genetist to extract it from timelord,namely the doctor,the second one to be specific so the sixth doctor (Yes I love Rich for having the sixth doctor point out something that was in one of his previous adventures.) had to rescue himself from the sontarians. Now the Rassilon Imprimature is put into a tardis by a timelord and well the tardis is ready to travel through time, if not…..well lets just say for anyone else that they won’t survive the trip.
ahhh, i continuously love the way your daleks look in that sketchy style, much better than what i come up with!, absolutly lovely
*apolgies for my outburst on my previous post*
Yay, new page! What’s Six up to, I wonder?
(Bamboozling the Supreme Dalek, I hope!)
Go Rich, go!!! Love the update. But Leela didn’t have the imprimature (just rewatched The Invisible Enemy)…Unless companions have it by default, due to the psy-connection they have with the Doctor, via the TARDIS.
I didn’t think Maxil was actually a Time Lord himself, just a guard. He’s Gallifreyan, but not of the elite.
There’s nothing that explicitly says one way or another whether or not every Gallifreyan is a Time Lord or not. Maxil might be, he might not be. It might be something that’s earned through attendance at the Academy, though if that were the case, what *was* Rodan doing as a traffic coordinator?
The point is, Maxil might very well *be* a Time Lord. And if he’s not, once again to make a similar argument, nothing says that Gallifreyans who are not Time Lords can’t learn to pilot a TARDIS.
Though doesn’t anyone think it strange that for a ship designed for six pilots, we have never seen a TARDIS who owned more than one Time Lord?
Awesomeness! Not only has my favorite manga returned to publication, I have yet another page of Rich’s 10 (or 10.5) Doctors!
Telepwen: I suppose that since the Timelords were supposed to be as non-interventionist as possible, one way to help curb such impulses would be to limit the number of pilots such that few TARDISes would ever have a proper number of pilots. Then again, I always got the impression that the TARDISes were something of a throwback to earlier days they’d rather leave unmentioned. But don’t ask me why they kept coming out with newer models, lol. I’m rather tired now and riding the exuberance caused by too much good reading!
Yes, by Androgum! Another page of 10 Doctors! I loved the interplay of Maxil and 6 (the fact that both were played by the same actor is also a nice touch of rich creamy goodness).
Also watched Inferno on DVD today – rockin’ good Pertwee!
Telepwen: Imagine being stuck in a room with six Time Lords. It would be incredibly boring.
And, I mean, with all the Time Lords’ pomposity and apparent intellect, they’d drive each other nuts. It’d be like being stuck in a car with 6 best friends for 20 years. You’d hate each other by the end of it.
Oh, I _adore_ Inferno.
But getting back to the actual subject here…I don’t know about the “Imprint of Rassilon”, but I _do_ know that we see several Companions flying the TARDIS, both by accident and on purpose. Adric once took it for a short joy-ride with _no_ Time Lords on board (Romana Two was still travelling with Four then of course…but she wasn’t on board!), Tegan fiddles with the controls _frequently_ during Five’s run, and I think perhaps Turlough took off with it at least once, too. Oh, and two random pilots during “Time Flight” I think. A LOT of people randomly made it go…somewhere…during Five’s era.
Secondly, I don’t know how Rich is doing this, but I’ve always naturally assumed that _not_ all Gallifreyans are Time Lords…otherwise why would they be considered a sort of elite class?–and that Maxil, the other Commanders of the Guard we saw (including Leela’s husband, Andred), Rodan, whatshisface the little reporter guy, etc. were just “ordinary” civilians.
Mind you, they’re still ordinary _alien_ civillians. In my view, your average Gallifreyan still lives ONE about 600-year or so lifetime–they just can’t regenerate, is all–has a bit of native psionic sensitivity, it’s just not trained to where they can send messages over many light years or sense/fight against disturbances in the time stream itself, and yes, they _are_ BORN with two hearts. I never went with that “you get the second one when you regenerate the first time” deal. Why? Because it’s fanon. I don’t _do_ fanon. And different blood chemistry, body temperature, metabolism, can eat some things humans can’t and might find a few of our foods/medicines poisonous, blah blah. Everyday alien stuff.
But, all this is just me. I’m not saying it’s true. (I’m not necessarily saying it isn’t true either, mind you.) Anyway, whether or not Maxil has the “Imprint of Rassilon” (no, he’s not a Time Lord) and whether or not that’s needed to fly a TARDIS (not if Tegan and other random non-Gallifreyans can fly it) is…well, up to how _Rich_ is interpreting things. Which we’ll just have to wait to find out, I guess.
…Notorious
As stated in the Two Doctors the “Rassilon Imprimature” is required to prime a TARDIS not too operate one. Its discribed as a secutirty measure so even if someone retro -engineered a TARDIS it still wouldn’t work.
In Horror of Fang Rock the Doctor describes regeneration as a natural process for Timelords
Well then, now I have the irrepressible urge to put in my Two Doctors DVD. That particular story was my introduction to Patrick Troughton, who is now one of my favorite Doctors. Whatever else the Colin Baker era did, it guided me toward the good stuff.
(I still say that Vengeance on Varos is quality, though…)
I don\’t like the whole Rassilon Imprimature thing, because Daleks time-traveled in the chase, Cpt Jack Harkness time hops, Donna Noble and was sent back to jump in front of a lorry. And the 2 doctors didn\’t make much sense, because 2 could steer the TARDIS, and Jamie was there on his own as a companion.
Yes Maxil and Six together
I wonder if the Doctor is related to him or if he just chose to regenerate inti that face because he liked it, like Romana did with her first regenaration.- OK just kidding I really ignore that whole choose your regenaration and change it 15 times before it is peranent debacle.
@ You_Will_Obay_Me: Well yes the 2 Doctors was far from a good episode, buit I always assumed they were talking timetravel by TARDIS, because the ships are imprinted only to accept a Timelord.
On Time Lords, TARDISes and the Rassilon Imprimature:
See, I think it was explicitely stated, or at least, contextually obvious, that not all Gallifreyans were Time Lords, especially in “The Deadly Assassin”. The guards and many of the citizens didn’t regenerate but were killed outright by certain otherwise not-entirely-fatal-to-TimeLord means.
Though I, too, dislike the whole one-heart/two-hearts after regeneration thing, it is apparent in a few 1st Doctor episodes that there is nothing about his pulse that surprises Ian Chesterton and other humans who examine him. The whole two-heart thing didn’t come about until later. So we can dismiss that as a continuity error, or consider it as part of the organic chaos that is Doctor Who continuity.
The Rassilon Imprimature is a sketchy idea, especially considering that most of what we hear about it was cow-crap made up by the 6th Doctor because he knew the Sontarans were listening in. It’s obvious, though, that not ALL time travel is impossible without this thing, since in many episodes we see it happen. But Dastari and the Sontarans certainly believe this to be the case. Maybe part of a ploy of the Time Lords to keep them misinformed and thus delay their ability to time travel?
As for TARDISes needing more than one pilot, that was, of course, made up for the S4 finale, but makes sense. Most of the Time Lords we see piloting TARDISes are renegades. We have never seen an official TARDIS being piloted by approved Time Lord on an approved Time Lord mission. They probably have teams of 3 to 6.
Remeber also that although they have laws against INTERVENTION in historical events, they are also very big on OBSERVATION, and gather their data through telepathic experiences and the APC net which collects data from TARDISes and Time Lord minds. So they must actually go out and visit places. Perhaps for extended periods.
I’ve always imagined small Time Lord teams taking a TARDIS, landing it somewhere and leaving it for a few centuries while they blend anonymously into the population to learn, view, interact in invisible ways (say, part of a lineup at the grocery store, that customer who looks around and leaves without buying anything, the quiet drunk at the back of the pub, etc.)and then move on. They have to be carefully trained to stay uninvolved before they’re allowed to go on field teams. That would be why they keep updating and streamlining their TARDIS technology. Each model being quieter and more easily blended into the background.
Cate: My story, my pace. Sorry.
gecks: What did you come up with?
You_Will_Obay_Me: Yeah, the Two Doctors kinda blew. But it makes sense if you accept the fanon season 6b. It’s the only possible way. So much so that it looks like they came up with something similar just to write the episode in the first place.
herk: No, “The Two Doctors” states that time travel at all is only possibly with the Imprimature. But we know this can’t be the case. So it might be part of a Gallifreyan conspiracy.
RMWU got it right – the Rassilon Imprimatur (no ‘e’) is only required to prime a new TARDIS for time travel. Once the TARDIS has been primed, anyone with sufficient know-how (or dumb luck in the case of many of the companions) can fly it without ill-effect (apart from winding up somewhere unpleasant due to their inexperience with piloting the TARDIS).
So Maxil’s TARDIS is only no good to the Daleks due to the Rassilon Imprimatur if Maxil had just finished building it and hadn’t got around to priming it yet.
hehe And of course Rich posted while I was typing. I’d like to point out at this stage that it’s his comic, so he can do what he pleases with it. Just pointing out the function of the Rassilon Imprimatur to those above who’ve posted wondering how companions managed to fly the TARDIS without a Time Lord on board.
hey rich. like the new page.
Someone in my school found ot about this ’secret site’, and now everyone is on it. Damn
Let’s see, Four is hanging on by his scarf outside while inside Six and Maxil are facing off against each other, then Six starts in on the Supreme Dalek. I hope Four never finds out what show he missed, he would have enjoyed this, I think.
Re: “Though doesn’t anyone think it strange that for a ship designed for six pilots, we have never seen a TARDIS who owned more than one Time Lord?”
Does every TARDIS have to be flown by 6 people? Maybe the Doctor has the deluxe “space shuttle” version while others such as The Master and Drax have a “hobby plane” version (especially Drax).
Yay, an update! You always know how to make my day..
I really enjoy the Six-Maxil face off, and especially the line about “no, I suppose we are about to die.” So casual!
Heather: Yeah, time travel is a dangerous and tricky thing if you’re not properly educated about it, it seems. The problems are many, varied, and -most dangerous of all- inconsistant! That’s why such things are best left to Time Lords.
NicolaJo666: Well, that’s good for us! It wasn’t ever meant to be a secret.
KatKlingon: Or it might have aggrivated him to distraction.
Countess: Well, we’ve seen the Master’s TARDIS and it looks the same…. exactly the same, actually, since it’s usually a poorly lit version of the Doctor’s TARDIS set. Once or twice it looked like it was painted black in there. Only in the “Keeper of Traken” episode did the interior look really different, but it could have been a different room.
The Rani’s TARDIS was a cool redone version of the Doctor’s TARDIS with a round console and a spiral ring rotor and multiple levels of floor (in “Mark of the Rani”, in “Time and the Rani” it was just some CSO of an empty room! And in “Dimensions in Time” it was the Doctor’s TARDIS again.) But the console was clearly the same size with the same sort of system that needed to be operated from all sides.
We’ve never seen Drax’ TARDIS in the show, inside or out. So who knows?
Percy: It seems to be a bit run-of-the-mill for the Doctor at this point.
I don’t remember where I read it but I read somewhere that the Guard’s stasers have a regeneraton inhibitor in them. But I also read somewhere that all Time Lords are Gallifreyan but not all Gallifreyans are Time Lords.
Anyways, YAY NEW PAGE!! I was just watching “The Two Doctors” the other day, too. ^^v
I’m pretty sure I’ve read Stasers inhibit regenearation too, probably in a Target Novel. That would make sense or else you’d spend all day just killing one Time Lord, Shoot him/ her, he regenertates etc etc.
I’ve also read the “Time Lords are Gallifreyan but not all Gallifreyans are Time Lords” line too probably in the same Novel.
I definitely agree with your point, Rich, about never having seen Time Lords out on official buisiness. We’ve only heard in passing about teams being out; we’ve never heard anything about them.
I think this expains the hobo down the street.
All the debating points aside, the real impression I get is that anyone that needs to be able to pilot a TARDIS for the Evolution of the Plot™ magically received the ability from somewhere in the APC net.
ummm; hmmm?
I’m wating on this one!
So… what’s happening with the “brain” team of Turlough, Susan, Zoe, and… erm… Jo? Last time we saw them was page 63 and the page 75 recap with Omega & the Celestial Toymaker where they’re still trying to get back to the Rani’s TARDIS. Them’s some of my favorite companions! How’re things going with them?
Go six! I’ve just got the trial of a timelord boxset so I’m a bit mad on six.
six six six. oh dear I’m evil.
Sah-wheat… still getting better! Like the banter, love the Dalek’s superiority complex. Keep ‘em comin
I notice that the Doctor only seems to mention the Rassilon Imprimatur when his enemies are trying to gain the secret of time travel. (Both here, and in The Two Doctors, which I haven’t seen in a long time, so correct me if my memory’s faulty.) I’m starting to wonder if it could just be a clever bit of misinformation designed to throw them off the trail.
I watched The Two Doctors last week and as far as im concerned its made up hoo-hah to throw enemies off time travel. (BTW my TOATL box set comes monday, so stoked!)
Anyways, lovin the new page Rich, always wondered what a 6/Maxill confrontation would be like!
Obviously if Maxil has flown the tardis from Gallifrey, it’s operational. Primed, even, I’d say But if Six can buffalo the Daleks into letting Maxil get away, they wont have a tardis at their disposal. Maxil might even let one of the Doctor’s live as a return favor…for a little while at least. I wouldnt push the Doctor’s luck on that score tho!
Now we see that 6 isnt knocked unconcious after all, but up and thinking on his feet quite well! I do quite love the 6 and Maxil confrontation, and how they have no idea what anyone is talking about, saying they are the same or some such nonsense!
I’m not a bit Six fan but he really kicks butt in this! (I do like The Two Doctors, though!)
Sorry, I meant big Six fan! (I can’t type!)
I was just thinking, having been reminded 4 is still outside….if the ship is plunging down through the atmosphere, why isn’t he burnt to a cinder out there on the hull?
Yeah, it’s made pretty clear that not all Gallifreyans are Time Lords in “The Deadly Assassin”–people get killed by, say, stabbing with an ordinary knife, and nobody is the slightest bit surprised when they DON’T get back up and start walking around afterwards. (There’s even a bit where Four ends up with a dying guard in his arms, very like the scene in this comic with Ten and Maxil…)
Stasers were more or less explained there, too–apparently they do some kind of _ongoing_ damage in the body, continually _burning_ the cells up from the inside until, within 24 hours later, the corpse is a charred husk. They actually said this. Yeeck.
This pretty much goes with one thing I’ve always thought about regeneration–that the healing process is _very_ fast, yes…but NOT _infinitely_ fast. It has a limit. Ongoing damage that is just a _hair_ faster than the regeneration process can heal it, that goes on long enough, would result in (from the outside point of view) just plain death with nothing happening. It’s like if you kept adding one and taking away two–you can never catch up.
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(I also rather like the “lindos hormone” idea, even if it is from a novel–it has a certain….something. A chemical imbalance in the bloodstream _would_ explain a LOT of the Doctor’s immediate post-regeneration behaviour.
Circumstances that could do this would include things like being tossed into a volcano, really strong acid, a fire, explosive decompression in the vaccuum of space, lightning-quick acting diseases or poisons, and being cut over and over very quickly, such as with that one time Four was tied down inside a giant composting machine and basically about to be _mulched_. (”The Seeds of Death”.) Yick!
Anything that damages you, from the inside or out, (a) all over and (b) very fast, basically. Time Lords are _tough_….NOT immortal. There’s a difference.
(As for Romana’s farce of a regeneration scene, I also prefer to…ignore that. Part of the “organic chaos” that is the series’ continuity–I like that phrase, Rich–it rather works.
I can see being able to control the end result _once_, if you regenerated on purpose while of “sound mind and body”, but to casually toss on and off new bodies like _outfits_? Yeah. Right.)
The Rassilon thingamajig and the continuity of The Two Doctors I can’t comment on just yet, as I am still watching the series in total chronological order and have _just_ gotten to “The Twin Dilemma”. (I’d be further along by now but I slowed down on purpose to let my friend catch me up a bit.) SPEAKING of chemical imbalances. WOW. He is just out of his fluffy little _gourd_ at the moment. (And Colin is having way too much fun _devouring_ the scenery. “EXCELSIOR!”)
Anyway, though I haven’t seen “The Two Doctors” yet, I also figure the “Rassilon Imprimatur” has gotta be some kind of hoax or whatnot. Considering…well, the evidence of like _the entire series_ before that.
And Maxil couldn’t prime “his” TARDIS himself because HE’S NOT A TIME LORD! Well, at least _I_ think he isn’t. Presumably it was one that had already been primed earlier? (shrug)
As for the Time Lords carefully observing history without changing it…anybody here ever read the “Time Scout” books by Robert Asprin? They’re interesting for our purposes because they are REALLY _SERIOUS_ about time travel being purely for _observing_ history in these books, and to that end, the amount of preperation and training an agent has to endure before they’re allowed to step through a time gate even once is _extreme_. It sounds like the level of care _official_ Time Lords–the kind who _do_ follow the rules–might take, is what I mean.
Shutting up finally…
…Notorious
I always took that expression “Rassilon Imprimatur” to mean the process by which a TimeLord “Bonds” telepathically with his Tardis. There are numerous examples of the Dr stating this happens throughout the original Who eras.
Therefore its possible for a TimeLord to effectively immobilise his Tardis who this link without recourse to removing the fluid link,or whatever McGuffin is used at the time for this purpose. & also to allow his assistants/companions to pilot the Tardis should the need arise.- especially as its also been shown that the Tardis links telepathically with them once they’re officially on board too.
:XD Nice! They wouldn’t be able to show this using actors unless they do the same thing they did with David Tennant in the last episode of Series 4. That would get confusing…it’s like arguing with yourself o.O
Your drawings look like you sketched them in just one line and they still look awesome!
You see a tardis without a timelord to put in the Rassilon Imprimatur will be unable to carry the traveler safely across time, now that is how a tardis is set up,I’m not sure about any other way to travel through time but thats how rassilon set up the tardis so only timelords will pilot it,the loop hole is that once a timelord puts in the Rassilon Imprimatur the tardis can be piloted by anyone and safely take the traveler through time and space,if they know how to fly it.
On the whole who is a Timelord and who is a simple Gallifreyan is up for debate,I mean in the deadly assasin when some of the gaurds were killed we don’t really know if they regenerated or not and if they were do we know if Maxil is a Timelord or not?We don’t but him being in a position of power like head of the gaurds it would be possible he is a Timelord.
Well, I don’t know about the rest of it but it seemed fairly certain they were _dead_ dead in “The Deadly Assassin”. I mean, not that I want to start an actual argument or be obnoxious, but the Doctor and others were treating the bodies as ordinary murder victims, turn them over, sigh, no, it’s too late, let’s go after whoever did this. No mention at all of Oh, let’s go get this person to a quiet room while they regenerate, no why _aren’t_ they regenerating?, etc.
And regenerating, if it _is_ going to happen, usually starts RIGHT after death, so the “murdered” people would either be sitting there, kinda confused, in a new body that had no injuries, or in the middle of changing, by the time the Doctor got there.
I dunno. I kind of just like the idea of “ordinary” Gallifreyans existing, in general. A WHOLE race of these incredibly powerful “immortal” beings is…eeehhh….not quite to my writing style taste. (shrug)
Besides, ya can’t _all_ be Lords and Ladies. SOMEbody’s gotta cook the food and take out the trash!
Also, if everybody was automatically a Time Lord, then why the Academy and all these presumably rigorous tests? Since they are hard, the implication would be that some people _do_ fail, or aren’t admitted in the first place. (Why not? I’m betting the official reason is that their genetics show they don’t have high enough IQ or physical potential to finish the course, but, as in the real world, of _course_ corruption is going on in their government and some get in/get denied because of political connections, nepotism, favours or enemies. Naturally. As we’ve seen quite often on the classic series, Time Lord politicians are NOT above a little petty power-playing the same way the floor is not usually above the ceiling!
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Anyway. Sorry for all the babbling, guys.
…Notorious
…and I meant “of the same room”, by the way. Yes, of _course_ I know that the floor of the second story kinda _is_ the ceiling of the first story…
…Notorious
Confidentially, I felt the Rassilon Imprimature was more of a plot device explaining why not just anyone could construct a TimeSpace vessel right off the bat. Nor why just anyone could simply acquire The Doctor’s TARDIS.
Because in Enemy of the World, the Second Doctor’s Earth Doppleganger, Salamander discovered the hard way when he attempted operating the TARDIS and ended up getting flung into the Vortex (or so the tale goes).
Overall I’ve considered the Imprimature as a means of biogenetic security for a TARDIS where one can’t operate the vessel unless the owner accepts them as part of their crew. Explaining how Tegan once desperately tried piloting it in Castrovalva and Four to Doomsday.
Apologies if I’m rambling, just entered my Fourth Decade on Oct. 3rd.
OMG…*anita wakes from the coma*…..3 new pages and 2 ABOUT 4!!!! Hurray, he’s ALIVE….*wipes sweat from brow*…..
Now if they all would hurry up and save the world, I think I would be beside myself…
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This is WibblyWobbleyTimeyWimeys new computer.
I have seen at least one episode from every doctor except for 6 and I took the BBC quiz “Which Who Are You?” and I got 6, freaky, huh?
@Fangarius: How about ‘Full Circle’? I would have loved to have seen Adric & his Math Club being shot into oblivion. Wouldn’t they been caught by the TARDIS biometrics if that was the case. Well, unless the TARDIS knew that Pyjama Boy was going to be travelling in it from then on?
THAT is one of the examples I was talking about! It takes off with Four off in their building…spaceship…thingie, Romana outside going “WAIT!!”, and Adric wasn’t a Companion yet! (Math Club. Snerk. I was calling them “The Lost Boys…and Girl”, myself.
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Yep. Full Circle is one of my prime examples here (for the point of: “You don’t have to be a Time Lord to fly a TARDIS”. Thank you, Daren.
As for “Which Doctor Are You?” quizzes, I’ve come out as Five once or twice, but usually I have a tendency to end up as One or Seven. Make of that what you will.
…Notorious
Hi Rich
I’m a writer and newspaper editor in North Adams, Massachusetts. I do a lot of coverage of comics for mainstream audiences and recently I have been working with an art gallery here, Greylock Arts in Adams, curating an online exhibit of web comics.
We’d love to include samples from The 10 Doctors in the web comics exhibit, with your permission. If you could shoot me an email, I’d love to talk it over with you!
Looking at panel five, it sounds to me like Six is still expecting to de-generate back into Five at any moment. Oh now I’m getting excited to see how Six finds out Four is okay. It should be fun!
I’ve said it before on these pages, but I’m a big fan of the sixth doctor’s bluffing and blagging!
John E. Mitchell: I’d love to contact you about this. Shoot me an email address.
Cool – MitchellXL5@gmail.com – look forward to it!
Amazing comic rich! keep up the good work!
and erm Captain Chaotica?
you know your doctor who. go on a quiz show and chose that as your subject you’d win!
Love the new page Rich!
Uh…thank you. If you meant that as a compliment. Well I’ll take it that way anyway. I’m PROUD of my geekness.
Actually, funny thing is, there’s still a large portion of the show I’ve never seen yet. I have…most of Six’s run to go, all of Seven’s, the movie, and a good chunk of the new series.
Thing is, my friend and I both have these brains that just…_naturally_ gather trivia and remember it without even trying, and we’ve been keeping careful notes/taking screenshots just because we wanted to. We both started on the new series and then backtracked, so there’s a lot of things we know from seeing Nine or Ten deal with them “first”, and so when we see, say, _One_ dealing with them it’s “Oh hey! Wow! It goes back THAT far?!” and really sticks in your mind, that way. Because it’s surprising.
So at the moment, we have pretty sharp memories of specifics in the classic series. Later on, we’re gonna start forgetting stuff, of course. Heh.
…Notorious
Is it just me or does Six and Maxil look alike???
Seiryuu-san: Now you mention it… OMG!
Another great page, Rich! Thanks!
Seiryuu-san: They should look alike. Both characters were played by Colin Baker. (Maxil was in “Arc of Infinity” with Peter Davison. He even shoots Peter’s Doctor at one point — Colin would later joke that he shot him to get his job!)
Baker also nearly turned down the part of Maxil, because no-one had ever been cast as the Doctor having played another character in the series.
Rich/Hilary: If someone was to make a donation to your site via PAYPAL from another country (UK) would you get charged any fee for the receipt of the amount at your end, or is it just a simple transfer at the current exchange rate? I can’t find anything definate on the matter on PAYPAL’s site.
It’s a simple exchange rate transfer. I assume they skim a tiny bit off with rounding issues, but most of the server donations come in US dollars and we have to convert them to Canadian anyway, so it’s six of one and a half-dozen of the other as far as we’re concerned.
Thank you so much for even considering it! That’s really sweet of you!
Hilary: My pleasure! I didn’t want to make a donation and you end up being charged more than the contribution made. Although with the world economy’s state at the moment, it’s already worth less…
Heheh. Yeah they look alike.
I gotta think the same-actor thing is like, the main reason why Rich wanted to get the two characters together. It’s one of those “Ooh, just can’t _resist_!” things, for a fanfic author.
He shoots Five non-lethally, by the way. When I heard ahead of time that Five got “shot by his own successor”, I always thought it was the end of some big dramatic chase scene, but instead poor Fivey gets tagged in the arm the second he walks out and says hi! (”You wanted him to feel welcome…so you sent _armed guards_?!” (laugh))
There are even, amusingly, a few scenes where Maxil is _on board the TARDIS_. In the control room even. In a couple of these bits, he’s talking to Five–the Doctor and the future Doctor together (but they don’t _know_ that yet, BWAHAHA), right in the famous control room set.
I sat there cracking up…and had to take a screenshot, of course. Heh.
…Notorious
And you’d be right, CC.
I ran a Doctor Who RPG once called “The 8th Doctor” (long before the FOX film came out) in which all 7 incarnations of the Doctor (all PCs) were gathered together to rescue the 8th Doctor who was the infant version of the 1st. The villains were all the doubles ever seen in the series:
William Hartnell’s Abbott of Ambroise (The Massacre)
Patrick Troughton’s Salamander (The Enemy of the World)
Tom Baker’s Meglos-in-Doctor-form (Meglos)
Peter Davison’s Omega-in-Doctor-form (Arc of Infinity)
and
Colin Baker’s Commander Maxil (Arc of Infinity)
Couldn’t find any for Jon Pertwee or Sylvester McCoy, sadly.
In the end, after they’d rescued the baby, the whole thing turned out to be on a cardboard set at the BBC and the show was cancelled. I loved how the players handled that part.
Hartnell went home and retired.
Troughton was really the Doctor, got back into the TARDIS and took off on new adventures.
Pertwee turned into a scarecrow.
Tom Baker punched the producer’s lights out.
Davison went into veterinary medicine.
Colin Baker got huffy.
Sylvester McCoy got philisophical.
Ironically enough, before that one I ran a Doctor Who game called “The 10 Doctors” which featured
Hartnell
Troughton
Pertwee
T.Baker
Davison
C.Baker
&
McCoy
as the *original* Doctors, and
Cushing
Martin
and
David Banks
as *alternate universe* Doctors. They weren’t taking my Daleks seriously and started giving them lip. So the Daleks shot Cushing. Cushing died and Martin and Banks disappeared. The Classic Doctors got a lot more respectful after that.
(I just got a tenth doctor figurine). Great comic but what happened to 4. Tell me please he didn’t die.
Leeanne: Go back about a page.
I love how the eighth doctor rpg ended with patrick troughton as the doctor and the ten doctors rp, I created an alternate universe second doctor but a few things happened like the two people hartnell traveled with left before he faced the cybermen,he had more energy,enough to defeat the cybermen,go to his tardis and fly off accidently landing on an alternate earth where he regenerates into a twenty looking something second doctor,or second professor as he went by in his universe, he regenerates before the tenth doctor who had been exploring this particular place and time. It is currently an rpg I’m playing with two others,one is the current tenth doctor and another is a new companion. What do you think of my alternate doctor, Rich?
Doctor Paradox: Having trouble parsing that. So it’s the Professor (an Alternate Universe Doctor), who’s only on his 2nd incarnation after having defeated the Cybermen single handedly at the end of his version of “The Tenth Planet”, who meets up with the (original Universe) Tenth Doctor and a new companion?
Interesting. Apart from being very young, what’s this alternate 2nd Doctor look like?
Most of our Doctor Who RPGs involved our own original Time Lord characters (this was, of course, long before there was a “Last Great Time War” that wiped out Gallifrey) and the Doctor only rarely appeared as an NPC (one of my friends loved to stick us into plots from TV episodes helping out the Doctor behind the scenes, usually the 3rd Doctor. -Although my Time Lord, the Scout, did once get into a fist fight with the 4th Doctor for some reason) We came up with the craziest names as well….
The Scout
The Collector
Thimbelaneous
The Postman
Overtime
The Apprentice
The Sandman
Saturn
Kroden
etc.
And signature TARDIS shapes too!
A red English phone box
A suitcase or briefcase
A fog bank
A pillar of fire
A pillar box
A miniature version of the tomb of Rassilon!
A purple lamp post
A great big Egg (Nanu nanu!)
A vaporator (from Tatooine)
A huge hourglass
etc.
Hmm. Hate to break in here, but I assume at least a few people here have heard of this paper-and-dice RPG called “Time Lord”? (Maybe that’s what you were _playing_, even…) You can now download it for free (legally) as a pdf on the ‘net, and it’s got some fun stuff in there–ideas for how to role-play post-regenerative trauma (the game actually encourages you to act REALLY WHACKED OUT, and I am the type of roleplayer that has _no_ trouble doing that at the drop of a scarf anyway), “random adventure generation” which is a lot of fun to just play with, and a sort of Choose Your Own Adventure solo thingie where you’re playing either Jamie or Tegan and trying to help the Doctor stop some bad guys.
It’s fun stuff. Since we’re talking about RPG’s, I just thought I’d mention it. Carry on.
…Notorious
JustAWanderer: Oh right… thanks.
CC – I was a FASA Doctor Who player. I checked out Time Lord when it came out and I hated it. The rules (at the time) allowed you to play either a character from the show (the Doctor or a companion) or yourself assuming that at some point you become the Doctor’s companion. I hated that. I stuck with FASA. We’d house-ruled the game to bits anyway after some 6 or 7 years.
Well first of all the hartnell professor does basically goes through the same events against the cybermen but hes there more and has a more active part.My alternate doctor was ether a twenty year old patrick troughton or Minato Arisato from a gamed called persona three. You have gotten the timeline right I have a far more detailed version of him in his profile I submitted to the rpg. His clothing is the same as the second doctor’s. He is wearing his gray coat,white button up shirt,black bowtie,green plaid pants and black shoes. He still has his sonic screwdriver and his flute recorder. Also his tardis is green and of course a police box. This is what I have him look like and he still basically the second doctor but different.
Huh. Well I’ve never seen the FASA Doctor Who thingie so I can’t compare…also of course I’d need some version of the regular FASA rules I assume, to have a basic idea of how the game works. It seems that you were at least sometimes playing the actual Doctors from the show on the FASA game as well, though…or are you just saying you object to the self-insertion bit, with the _real_ “you” being a Companion? I can see that.
I think the newer rules for “Time Lord” talk about how to make up a new, _original_ Companion character who is NOT you. Including different categories like The Specialist, The Alien, etc. Of course, some people will still just give their character their own name and not bother to make up any description or do the “Bob. The fighter.” syndrome I kept running into in D&D (”Bob? What kind of a fantasy name is “Bob”? Can’t you at least name him “Robert the Destroyer”?! Sheesh, put some EFFORT into it!”)
But then…you’ll _always_ get at least a few players like that, with any game. At least, _I_ seem to be cursed with ‘em. (”I dunno…he’s some guy. Named Bob. Brown hair. Where’s the chips?”)
I tend to be very bad at remembering all the little petty technical details anyway, though…which is why I prefer to _play_…or at least GM games with really loose rules-systems such as Paranoia. BWAHAHA ahem…sorry about that.
Unfortunately I’m the only one in my group Into role-playing enough to actually go out and buy the books, so I always end up being the GM by default. I _like_ being the GM, but ya know, sometimes I’d like a break from always being the driver…
Anyway.
…Notorious
Re: The Arc of Infinity with Colin Baker trying to get his role a series too early:
The late JNT, producer at the time and during the Davison as well as C.Baker and McCoy regenerations had once said that originally he was considering Colin Baker for the role when Tom Baker announced he was quitting but was worried that people would confuse one Baker for another so he went with Peter Davison, with whom he had worked on All Creatures Great and Small. So, when Arc of Infinity came along, he was all too happy to have Colin play a part in the show. Knowing that Colin had originally been up for Davison’s role, he was no doubt quite happy to have Colin shoot Peter as a bit of an in-joke even before Davison had announced he was leaving and thus giving JNT finally the opportunity to cast Colin Baker for the role.
All that said, JNT never once complained that he regretted hiring Davison. From all I’ve read, he was always very happy with Davison’s performance. It was simply an issue of timing that gave Colin a chance to shoot himself on the show.
In the 8th Doctor RPG, I would have had Pat Troughton decapitated by a shard of glass from the collapsing set, visa-vi in The Omen. I think it would have been real unexpected if the producer (as punched out by Tom Baker) turned out to be the REAL Doctor, up to one of his famous devious plots à la The Virgin novels.
That’s cool Rich…..still lovin’ it and enjoying your Whoinverse more then the show atm
Dr.Paradox: A GREEN police box? Interesting. I’ve seen one painted red, so why not?
Cap’n Chaotica: Well, the system for the FASA game really was awful. But we’d had it for a while and we knew it for a start. Then there was the idea that people would want to play just the characters from the show or themselves. We’d gone to such effort to make new and interesting characters. I dunno. I guess I’m just a real stickler for gaming style.
I too am usually the GM in our games. I do like a break once in a while, but sometimes I get fed up with how others run them. I really miss my old gaming group back in Montreal. We’d been playing together weekly for years and years and had really gotten to know eachother’s styles and preferences.
We’ve got a group now again, but we’re still trying to find a schedule that works and we’re sort of feeling eachother out again from scratch.
Time Horse: Hehehhe, good one. Except that Patrick Troughton’s character was impaled by a fence post in the Omen.
Cate: Thanks! There actually isn’t anything going on in the show at all right now, is there?
So over all what do you think of my alternate doctor,the Professor? Also the doctor,the new companion and the Professor landed in medevil era with king charles and the two timelords have managed to convince the king and his kingdom that the new companion is their queen of Tardisa and they are her advisors and mages.
Dr.P: Well, I don’t know, all I know is your description. Sounds okay as an alternate universe Who. Of course, I keep imagining a sort of emo/bish anime version of Patrick Troughton which isnt’ a good thing. But hey, for an alternate reality ANYTHING is possible.
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“Patrick Troughton’s character was impaled by a fence post in the Omen.”. That was him?! See, I only recently saw Doctor Who dvds with his Doctor. Wild!
Er… Its actually the very top of a church steeple that falls after its hit by lightning
I just went back to school afler two weakes of holdays and when i got back I talked to all my friends abought the larst epsod of doctor who
I’d just like to say that I’m enjoying this phase of the strip tremendously. Hurrah!
Happy thanksgiving!
Nothing to do with the strip but :
Consipiracy of the Day
Today is the 13 October 2008, 701 years ago King Philip IV of France
launched a dawn raid, simultaneously arresting many members of the Knights
Templar. Reputed by some to be the worlds first major bankers.
Anybody else find it strange that today at least Six Major Bankers have lost
there jobs.
Only one person is really missing at the moment…
Where is the Brigadier?
Rich check your deviant art account I sent you the bio of the professor.
Is there any rumor to the truth that there will be a new page when we reach 100 comments?
No.
@Rich
Beautiful pages, as always. Most artists are their own, harshest critics, so I can understand that you’re not always happy with your work. However, we here in Whoville (can Dr. Seuss sue me for that?) enjoy it immensely. If you would just quit involving yourself with this “real world” of which you speak and devote your entire life to creating the comix, we’d all be happier.
(Don’t mind those fellows carting off your furniture. Just keep drawing!)
Best wishes to you and Hilary both.
Any truth to the rumor that some rumors don’t have any truth to them?
do any rumours with truth to them, hold any cause for being rumours in the first place? and if so, are there any truth to the rumours about elmo dating nyssa? and will their kids have floppy fuzzy arms on sticks?
if you believe in rich, clap, clap like you’ve never clapped before, c’mon kids you can clap louder than that!, clap!!!! clap dammit!!
The truth is this: If you chatterers keep overloading the comments section with nonsense instead of taking it to the forums, I’ll lock the comments thread out of sheer spite.
Remember, the longer these threads get, the longer it takes people on slow connections to load the comics pages, despite my having every cache option available running. Be kind to your fellow Whovians – once the rush of conversation about the actual pages is over, use the forum instead.
From Rich:
Cate: Thanks! There actually isn’t anything going on in the show at all right now, is there?
Nope….more’s the pity….
I just miss DT’s Doctor and I was being whimcisacal (?)
I’m in awe of your brillant work….don’t come too often cuz then it gives me more to read….not good being an “eager beaver”
Keep up the fantastic work
Does anyone care that imprimatur (’let it be printed’) originally meant approval by Church censors?