The 6th Doctor tells the 4th Doctor a little bit of what he’s learned and gives him the brush off, instructing him to stay out of the way and not to get himself killed. However, when the 4th Doctor indicates that he’s put Earth in danger with his crazy plan, the 6th Doctor orders him to makes sure nothing happens to it. The 4th Doctor is unimpressed.
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Lovely…
Mr Baker to a Tee!
Seven years… Giggle…
And Six is aware of the Valeyard’s plan. I guess he got that from the interrogation with the Dalek Commander from earlier.
“Celery Boy”… Brilliant. Both Bakers are brilliant!
*dances* Yay new comic! I laughed at the seven years crack, too. It’ll be interesting to find out more about this plot, when six decides to share with four the details. Was the Valeyard thing in six’s time? I haven’t seen that far yet.
Oop! Just had a thought.
The 4th Doctor is heading to Earth to make sure the 6th Doctor’s plan doesn’t do any damage to it? Maybe he’ll have a reunion with Sarah Jane, K9, Romana and Jamie on the way?
Just a thought.
Quick question:
If this Sixth Doctor is from before “Trial of a Timelord”, how does he have a knowledge of the Valeyard’s true identity?
“Celery boy” — that’s rich coming from Mr. Midlife Crisis Product.
Ten Doctors vs. the Valeyard? Pffft — no problem. Besides, Doctor 9 is way darker.
Excellent to see a new page. Thanks, Rich.
Hello there! And welcome the the Baker & Baker Show!!!
Tom, maybe he got it from the Daleks… and conveniently forgot just in time for “Trial”. Well whatever, the time lines are still in flux you know, wibbly wobbly, timey wimey… stuff.
“Celery Boy” That’s awesome! Six never was fond of Five, was he?
Love the updates. Love to see them!
Hilarious! I just love the Messrs Baker here!
My commendations, sir. You have an encyclopedic knowledge of the entire series. More importantly, you have the characters down to a tee. Bravo!
One small thing; 4 seems to have run out of jelly babies, he hasn’t offered them to anybody so far. (I used to raid the local Marks & Sparks for JBs while they had outlets here.)
this page is hilarious! i don’t even mind waiting a week or more, ’cause i know i’ll get to see a page of this BRILLIANT comic! FANTASTIC! Keep up the good work!
And there was much rejoicing
Thanks for the new page Rich.
How lucky are we to read your wonderful comic free over the internet!
Celery Boy
Not so long ago watched ‘Arc of Infinity’ on DVD and enjoyed the commentary with Peter Davison and Colin Baker.
nothing sooths the soul, like a good hot cup of cammomile tea, and a new page, delightful, full of mirth, and repoirtee, also, it’s like you know, really excellent dude!
ahh what a change my day has taken now that i’ve had another dose of comic fandom!
cheers rich
Thanks again for a wonderful page Rich.
Oh I love your arrogant sixth Doctor, he had SOOO many great lines on just one page:
Seven years, Celery boy and of course: Or I’ll go back and turn the Pharos dish myself
I lurked for a bit, but I had to come out and say YAY!
Another great page – I think I’m addicted to this thing
The other Dave: Cheers! I was able to hear Colin Baker’s voice doing those lines in my head very clearly (for a few weeks now). I wonder if they aren’t actually compiled of memories of things he actually did say in various episodes somehow.
Sean: Yeah, the 6th Doctor was able to talk semi-logical rings around the Supreme Dalek who was able to give him the information he needed to deduce a whole lot.
wulfae: Yeah, the “Trial of a Time Lord” was Colin Baker’s final season and featured the Valeyard at the principal vilain (and his only appearance in this -decidedly lengthy drawn out and directionless story). His regeneration was featured at the beginning of the next season (with Sylvester McCoy in a Colin Baker wig), and there had to have been more untelevised 6th Doctor adventures in between.
Seam: It’s possible.
Tom: Yes. And there are two possibilities to expain how he knows what he knows. 1: He deduced it logically from the information giving to him by the Surpreme Dalek (which would contain knowledge of the Doctor’s manipulated bio data). 2: When the Doctors get together their memories merge and blend and blur. Some things get shared, other things don’t. He may have picked up the memories incidently from the 7th, 9th or 10th Doctors.
Then of course, there’s everybody’s new catch all DeM: “wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey”.
Os: All ten against the Valeyard? Have you forgotten Omega, the Celestial Toymaker and two factions of Daleks? Not to mentions the menacing presence of the Master, the War Chief, the Meddling Monk, the Rani, the Sontarans, etc etc.
DrkFire666: EEGG-zactly. Thank you.
PlainSimpleGarak: Nope. “Sweet? Effete!…I never like that incarnation. It had a kind of FECKLESS CHARM that simply wasn’t ME.”
Melanie: Thanks!
Allan: Thanks! I will confess to the occasional bout of research I do while working on this comic. But for the most part it’s done my memory. Sometimes I surprise myself with what I do remember. And sometimes with what I remember WRONG.
As for the JellyBabies, you’re right. I haven’t had a chance to really do the 4th Doctor properly. He didn’t offer them randomly, though, there were conditions and situations that were appropriate. He does offer the Master a humbug in the Christmas Page, though.
Ch1ps: My goodness! Thank you!
Cap’n Shade: yaaay.
Sinead: Both of them, eh? That’d been funny! I’ve got to find that. I have “The Colin Baker Years” tape where he gets some wonderful snide remarks in about Arc of Infinity and his regeneration. He’s quite a lot of fun when he’s not being ruined by crappy writing. Poor guy.
I really quite enjoy writing his dialogue, though, as this page probably shows clearly.
gecks: Heheh, thank you!
herk: Hah! I’m glad you caught and appreciated that last line. That one and ‘celery boy’ were my favorites this page. And the ‘Do I have to think of everything’ bit was the clearest Colin Baker in my head so far.
Megalomaniac: Thanks for commenting! I’m glad you’re enjoying it. Sorry about any withdrawl symptoms you may have suffered. Life was a little chaotic for a while with a famiy wedding and some of us being sick… Work has been ramped up as well, making it difficult to get in the frequency of odd panels here and there that I used to be able to do. But we’ll see. I’ll try to keep it going more often.
And I thought Two and Three had bad relations! Hooray for more inter-Doctor banter. Also, points for Six’s threat there. But Four doesn’t know about the Pharos dish, does he? XD
Well, he SHOULDN’T. But all bets are off in multi-Doctor time distortion stories.
I mean, unless we accept the season 6a fanon, how could the 2nd Doctor know the ultimate fate of Jamie and Zoe in “The Five Doctors”?
I just discovered this a few days ago thanks to a writer’s blog and it\s amazing you have all the characters down to a T well done
Delightful! Enjoyed every word of it. I do like Colin quite a lot, having met him and had the pleasure of chatting to him. I still can’t help but wonder where Nine is, and what he’s up to.
Sqweeeee! An update! *does happy dance*
Many others have already said this, but I also love the barrage of one-liners from 6. You’ve captured his arrogance perfectly, especially in the way he brushes off 4’s objection to him starting space battles over Earth… (Oh, you deal with it…) Mind you, it’s good to see 4 hasn’t lost his nerve – despite all of 6’s great lines I think I got my best chuckle from, “You give new meaning to self-loathing.”
I knew they wern’t going to get along, but then again 6 was the extreamly arrogant one. I’d be suprised if any of the Doctors got along with him unless it was an emergancy.
Lovely work. Of course *you* know that the Fourth Doctor had a realively long lifespan — cosidering he was 749 in “Pyramids of Mars” and 760 by “The Power of Kroll” (provided he wasn’t lying about his age even then. : >
My favorite line is “You give new meaning to self-loathing”. Hahahahaha oh, that’s brilliant.
BTW it’s season 6 *B* theory not season 6 *A*. Either way, soemtimes its fun to just chuck continuity out the window a little bit and roll on with the fun.
Finally Rich has updated
*waiting for this universe and every other universe on every side and edge of the void to implode, explode, eradicate, or obliterate itself)
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phew we’re still here and just in time, you nearly missed the end of the month, by the way, your art style seems to have changed slightly.
Guess my alternate page 83 is pretty useless now.
In the words of Joel Hodgson: “It’s just a show, you should really just relax.”
I never knew why people got uptight about continuity in a TV show. It just means one more thing to worry about in something that is supposed to be worry-free.
Thank you for doing such a wonderful comic. Granted, I’m very new to the Who-verse, so a lot of the information and in jokes are a bit over my head. I’d ask for a score card, but I think that’d confuse me further.
I’ll go back and turn the Pharos dish myself
Genius.
Hurray! A new page at last!
Rich , you`re gonna have to update this more often man, making us wait like this is cruelty beyond words.
Well- I can only echo everything Heather posted above (partly because I’m not that good at squeeing myself
- but yay for a new page! and …yes, the self-loathing line was the best bit!
I do hope we see 4’s turn to shine soon! (And then, I suppose, the jellybabies shall return
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The gap did give me time to reread the 82pages this week at least, and I hope everyone is better now Rich!
This continues to be totally awesome. By all rights a story involving ten doctors with approximately 1.5 companions each, just about every major villain, a large helping of minor villains, plus assorted side characters, should be an unwieldy mess. The fact that this is intriguing and entertaining is a tribute to your abilities as a story teller and your grasp of the characters.
Glad to see a new page, but counter to the general glee of others, it is a little too ‘meta’ for me — one reference per page to other stories from the series is *plenty* for my tastes. Just my two grotzits.
And does nobody else find the Fourth Doctor too angry? Sustained anger doesn’t fit my perception of any incarnation. And surely his ‘life-span’ was more than seven years!
Rich, don’t get me wrong, I’m very impressed with what you’re achieving here. But I hope you don’t mind a little constructive criticism…. : )
That was worth the wait. If only 6 had been as well-written on the show…
Though I’m a little bit confused. How would 4 getting killed lead to 6 being 5 again?
If 4 was killed, then 6 would become 5 all that much sooner, decreasing his memories of being 4 and potentially increasing them as 6.
I agree 4 wasnt the angriest Doctor..but 6 has a tendency to bring that out in the other Doctors
He tends to be a touch more annoying and self-centered (tho all the Doctors share those two faults/endearments)
And yes, 4’s life span was much longer than 7yrs, probably the incarnation that lived nearly as long as the first one, the 7yrs bit was meant to be an in-joke that the viewers would get while the Doctors didnt (like the various “Baker” jokes) -6 is saying he knows 4 lasted a long time, but he’s surprised it wasnt only 7yrs, [i]not[/i] saying he’s not surprised that it was only 7yrs, see the difference? Or did I just make the confusion worse
oops my first sentence was more confused than the last!
I meant to type :if 4 was killed, then 6 would remember becoming 5 all that much sooner, decreasing his memories of being 4 by some years and potentially increasing them as incarnation #5 instead.
Clearly my post had one of those wibbly wobbly bad typing sort of things
But 6 is essentially saying, dont get killed right now, because I’d rather remember being you than celery boy…
Once I take the numbers out, my typos are far less confusing!
Marvelous!
BWAHAHAHA!
Oh perfect! Pure hilarity and Doctor-babble. Celery boy and, oooh, everything. That expression and pose as he shoos off Four. Actually, really, all the expressions and poses. This so could’ve just been talking heads, and you made it so very very fun to look at as well as read. Bravo. New meaning to self-loathing…heh. Aw man, fantastic page.
“Watch or I’ll go back and turn the Pharos dish myself”
LOL!!!!!
This is like awakening an egg and creating a new monster that feeds on 10 Doctors pages hope you start going back to the original drawing speed of the first 29 pages (one each day for a month), I doubt I’d be able to stand waiting so long for each page. Going back to the monster that feeds on pages, guess how the old one died. Now, I can sense a reunion between the 6, 4 and 9 group minus 9 and the 2 and 7 group if one Dalek Ship boards the other, then they could be joined by 3, 5, the Master and the group of alien delegates on board the Galactic Federation Ship once the allied attack force gets going, whic would mean 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7. 6 Doctors in a row, oo that would be a confusing problem for the Daleks, The Master, The Rani, and Davros.
This page is made of win
Rozzie:Thanks!
Rob H: Oh very cool! Yeah, he seems like he’d be a real hoot! I’ve managed to meet Sylvester McCoy at a con once, but that’s pretty much it.
Heather: Nope, there’s something indomitable about the 4th Doctor.
Lennie: Yeah, the 6th Doctor is definately solo material.
Stressfactor: Oh yes, I’ve always assumed (with some proof in many cases) that the various incarnations actually lived quite a lengthy time. The joke with the 7 years thing is that that’s how long Tom Baker played the Doctor for on television.
Right! Season 6b. Sorry. I make storyboards for children’s television and when we have to insert pages or scenes between ones that have already been numbered we start with a AFTER the original. For example: If I had to insert a page between pages 5 and 6, it would be page 5a. I keep forgetting that everyone doesn’t think that way.
Renegade Dalek: It’s a shame I wasn’t able to see your alternate page 83. Put it up somewhere and show us!
Sean: Yeah it’s a fine line. Remember that one of the things Joel and the ‘bots ripped into on those crappy movies was continuity errors. Truth is you have to be able to relax and enjoy it. And if your show says one week that going warp 3 or faster will destroy the universe, then the following week everyone’s cruising at warp 6, it will bother you. “But… last week they said… argh!”
I think it’s great fun to create something and keep track of the continuity, as much as it is to pick continuity apart. And then there’s the greatest fun of all, figuring out a way to explain away the continuity problems! I think “Season 6b” is brilliant and my enjoyment of the show increases as I mold this into the experience. It’s all part of the fun.
Tricia: I’ve been meaning to do just that, actually. A post with all the jokes and references explained. I’m just concerned that it will take me several years to do.
Lewis: Thanks!
Brian McCormack: I’ll post faster if you come here and do my storyboards for me. And while you’re at it, the dishes need doing and the baby isn’t sleeping well.
Mreen: Thanks! I think we’re all on the mend.
Burning: Wow! Thank you! Not that it isn’t an unweildy mess, mind you…but I’m keeping score on my end!
Gnome: Not at all. I have no problem with criticism. I will warn you though that I have no plans to go back and change anything that has been done. It’s all I can do to make sure I can generate new pages without going back and fixing old ones. Someday I’ll go back and fix the very heinous spelling errors and things. But in the meantime what I draw is what you get. I didn’t think that there was more than one reference in this page, insofar that any reference about the Valeyard’s involvement isn’t about ToaTL anymore, but about this comic itself. Or are you referring to the 7 years joke?
Jim: The 6th Doctor is just being funny. The over-simplified notion being that if the 4th Doctor regenerates, the later Doctors will vanish and a new continuity would have formed. Probably wouldn’t happen that way. But the 6th Doctor gets to jab at the 5th again.
Mreen: Clever!
Jayson: Thanks!
Laura: Thank you! I had a great time drawing this one. But the 4th Doctor does really need some equal screen time at some point.
Lisa: heheh
Renegade Dalek: … Oooookay. Yes, things are going to get confusing again.
I’m having difficulty posting it up, I tried to see how you did it on page 76 (which was the latest page when I discovered this site) but in case I can’t get it up,it goes something like this *”hem hem” clears throat*
THE TEN DOCTORS PAGE: 83
P1
4:(still holding 6 around the neck with scarf) You call HELPING a bunch of Daleks “getting something done”!!
P2
6: It’s better than hiding
(BOOM, BANG, BOOM, BANG several explosions shake the room)
P3
4: (releases 6 in shock) What Was That?
P4
Renegade Dalek (not to be confused with me): UNDER ATTACK!!
P5
(Outside an aeroplane style shaped Spaceshuttle can be seen firing laser balls at the Renegade Dalek ship)
P6
(Close up of the aeroplane shaped ship)
P7
The Master: (on board what is now revealed to be the galactic federation ship) Perfect, they’ll think that was the Imperial Daleks, we’ll shoot them and they’ll think it was the Renegades, then they’ll kill each other.
P8
5: They’re already at war, we don’t need to do anything.
P9
The Master: No Doctor, you just want to save yourself on both those ships.
P10
5: How did you know?
P11
The Master: You arrived with a previous incarnation.
P12
The Master: So you see Doctor, you will obey me, or I will kill the 2nd Dr. on the Imperial Dalek ship, erasing the 3rd Dr. here, erasing the 4th Dr. on the Renegade ship, erasing you here, erasing the 6th Dr. on the Renegade ship, erasing the 7th on the Imperial ship, erasing the 8th on Gallifrey, erasing the 9th Dr. with Drax, erasing the 10th on Gallifrey, whose partner, that old bat the First Doctor, the First, Last and Only Doctor.
P13
3: But as you have just explained, I am here twice and twice on each Dalek ship, either of which could be boarding this one at any moment, you could have a maximum of SIX Doctors on your hands, you have never actually defeated one.
P14
The Master: Oh Doctor, next you’ll be telling me that the 8th Doctor, who is in Cho Je’s cave on Gallifrey with Leela…
P15
(The Doctor’s run off, illustrated by several horizontal lines, and the word ZOOM!! in big letters, with the Master, who just let slip a vital clue, in mid-sentence.)
The Master: Hey, come back here!!
P16
3: (in the Tardis with 5) the Master let slip 8’s position, he must have gone past him on Gallifrey.
5: (slightly confused) How, Why?
P17
(The Tardis dematerialises)
3: Getting a new body by the looks of it.
Synopsis: On board the Renegade Dalek ship, several explosions happen, which turn out to have been fired by thye Galactic Federation vessel, with the Master, 3, and 5 on board, the Master threatens to erase the 3rd Doctor onwards by killing 2, but then he accidentally lets slip 8’s position, the Doctor’s run back to the Tardis and dematerialise.
Okay, it’s a bit long but I wanted to have all the description, hope you like it, and the P stands for panel, so P12 means Panel 12.
Rich, you made me laugh at the end of a crappy day!
*pharos project*
*celery boy*
Bloody Brilliant
Thank you!
RICH SAID: I will warn you though that I have no plans to go back and change anything that has been done. It’s all I can do to make sure I can generate new pages without going back and fixing old ones. Someday I’ll go back and fix the very heinous spelling errors and things. But in the meantime what I draw is what you get.
: P I don’t expect any retroactive revisions… Roll on!
THEN RICH SAID: I didn’t think that there was more than one reference in this page, insofar that any reference about the Valeyard’s involvement isn’t about ToaTL anymore, but about this comic itself. Or are you referring to the 7 years joke?
The Valeyard bit was fine… it was too many ‘meta-story’ references for my taste… ‘Celery Boy’ and regeneration implications, 7-years, Pharos… Its the stuff that causes the ‘fan-boy’ in each of us to giggle with delight, but that makes the story gaze at its own navel too long. If they did this on TV the show would likely decline in popularity and fade from the screens.
Oh, right, it did do that…. : (
Personally, I like the new series approach, where such references and jokes are window dressing that pushes a ‘fan’ button (the Cyber-head in Van Stratten’s museum in Dalek) or they get ‘proper’ explanation with the context of the story. In either case, you never need to have past experience to follow the discussion or follow the story. We don’t have to have seen everything from The Time Warrior to the Hand of Fear to appreciate Sarah Jane crossing paths with the Tenth Doctor on screen. It adds a lot to the meeting if you have seen those old stories, but you can also just understand Sarah Jane is what Rose is, only from some time in the past…
er, I’ve gone on long enough, haven’t I?
Oh, yay! This page is so fun. It’s good to see the Doctor squabbling with himself again.
Thanks Rich! Really fun perspective of dueling egos! I so looked forward to this! It’s my favorite addiction, Dr. Who, and you’re helping me through the seasonal wait. I am laughing like a fool reading it in the library and wish I could share it with someone. I attended the L.A. convention and told everyone I could about your page. Keep up the good work!
NINJA FOUR!
And now for something completely different.
Hmm. If there was a baby TARDIS, would it be like…a mailbox or a newspaper stand or something? I bet it’d be adorable.
Nice. We so rarely get to see Tom genuinely ANGRY about anything — shocked and appalled, but not often angry — but Colin is just the type to really tick him off.
And the Beeb themselves seem to accept Season 6b. It’s mentioned on their own DW website.
YAY!
Six is SO AWESOME when he’s being a total jerk.
A few people have expressed some shock at how angry 4 is in this page, but 4 always could really turn it on when other characters persisted in outrageously stupid behaviour. I recall several instances where he became utterly incensed. So far I haven’t seen him do anything in this comic which I’d consider out of character.
And Rich – don’t listen to those who harp at you to produce, produce, produce! As much as I’m anxious to see new pages I also don’t want to see you burn out and stop before the end, so take them at whatever pace you can manage. Heck, if I lived close enough to you, I’d even come over and help with the dishes.
This just makes me wonder now, is Tom going to get along with Pertwee? Most likely not from my point of veiw. Pertwee’s Doctor was proper and so on and Tom’s is a… shall we say clown?
I wonder what it says about the Doctor’s personality that just about any time more than one of him get together, there’s some squabbling and exchange of insults:
One, to Two & Three, in The Three Doctors: “So you’re my replacements — a dandy and a clown!”
Two, to Three, in The Five Doctors: “Goodbye — Fancy Pants!”
Three’s reply: “Scarecrow!”
Five, after the others have left: “I’m definitely not the man I was … thank goodness!”
Has anyone looked at the script for my alternative page 83 yet?
JustAWanderer – think how embarassing it would be to watch yourself, say on video, when you were younger and wore silly clothes – and thought that you were great. That might be how the later incarnations of the Doctor feel. Conversely the earlier Doctors probably resent their ‘replacements’ automatically – each would prefer to think of himself as the ‘latest’ model.
Plus it’s hard to know which person to speak in, “you see, I, we,” “for me, us” “It’s mine, ours” are they one person, or ten.
Now, are you ingnoring my page 83 script, only no-one seems to have mentioned it since I posted it.
well, are you?
I wonder what’s going to happen next, if the dalek ships dock each then, 2, 4, 6 and 7 would be re-united, and if like in my page 83, the Galactice Federation force gets going that would bring 3 and 5 back to scene, then 9 could end up on Gallifrey with drax and find 8, then lead 1 and 10 there, who could then go to the dalek Ships, so they would all be re-united, then, if it’s over 21st century earth and the Daleks landed there, or if the Doctors questioned the Rani, the Companions would be found, then as somebody mentioned, they’d meet Grace at the hospital, then unit and torchwood showed up, well ther you go.
Yes, Back to Four’s Anger…:
I don’t think it is out of character that he’s angry. I think it is out of character that he stays angry.
If, say, panel five or six had seen him completely change mood, put on a big smile and then mention that Six gives new meaning to self loathing, THAT’d be in character. In the show, part of what made Four seem alien and what made him so entertaining was his ability to genuinely react to a situation while alternating with a kind of third-person observation of a situation. To put it another way, he’d be *in* a scene and *commenting on* a scene simultaneously. Being both appaled and amazed by the shrunken planets in The Pirate Planet springs to mind….
THUD! *Falls off chair laughing* “Celery boy”!
Bravo Rich! Bravo! Encore!
Awesome work! The Bakers parry off each other very well. =)
Also: Dealing with being celery boy v/s Dealing with celery boy.
Wouldn’t he actually have to ‘be’ the ‘Professor’ since that’s the following regeneration?
Renagade Dalek – your alternate page 83 was cute and interesting. Its not so much ignored, but as this is Rich’s comic comment section and not a forum, people usually post their reaction to his comic, and not so much about others comments.. I expect you will get 1-3 comments in a week, more if you are very lucky, but again, it’s not meant to a forum per se, so dont pin a lot on reactions here. If you belong to a local fan club tho, maybe you could show it around there to fellow readers.
*sorry if I’m speaking out of turn, just throwing in free comment/advise (worth all it was paid for) till Rich has time to scoot back here and reply when he wants to be busy on that next page
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Well, Rich is a kewl guy with kewl comics. I may get silly about those long periods between updates. But I’m quite aware of his RL obligations. As should we all. If I was expecting replies to my posts, I’d be screaming bloody murder for some of my jokes that didn’t get a single one. Patiance young Renagade. He said he wanted to see it, and I’m sure he’ll comment. It just may be a while. Long live the Gorpo…Hip, hip, hazzah!!!
John Wolfe – my take on that was he (6) was commenting on what his memories would be if #4 was killed a few years early, he’d remember becoming celery boy(5) that much sooner. Or worse yet, from 6’s point of view, having celery boy by his side suddenly.
But I think I posted on that at length here, so I’ll stop now.
“There are a few how do you do that?” questions i’d like to ask:
1. How do you post pictures, you did it on page 76 with that what’s the Dalek saying when he rings the bell competion.*
2. How do you put hyperlinks on comments? rich did it one page 36, and somone else did it to thier website.
3. How do you put those little yellow smiley faces on them such as the recent comments from Mreen
and the creeping spleen*?
*1 how about “Pest Exterminator, (slightly quieter) your the pest I’m the exterminator.”
*2 hey that rhymes.
Testing.
If those worked, then all I did was type in the html codes to put in an image, and a hyperlink. for an image, you type without the spaces. for a link, it’s Text you want to be the link , again without any spaces. Sorry if this doesn’t work, the post can be deleted.
(Smilies are just smilies. : ) or : ( or : S or whatever. Without the spaces, again.)
Well, darnit. I did put a heckuvalot of spaces in there, too. I did have the coding in there, but now it’s disappeared. -_____-; Ah well, I’m not sure how to post images, and if you want to learn the html coding to make a link, just look up ‘making an html link’ or something like that on google. They’ll tell you.
You could also upload the image to photobucket and then link to it.
If you have a whole page, put it up on photobucket and link to it, or it will end up so tiny that you cant read (as myfirst pics I put in page 76 were) for smilies: put a : for the eyes, and ) for the mouth, but have them right next to each other and nothing else touching them (leave spaces). It’s eyes, than mouth. You can vary the mouth with D for big grin p for tongue sticking out, and ? for funny/unsure wobbly face, and some areas take the ; for a wink. It’s fairly basic stuff. Normally I put for a grin, but they disappear here as are used for coding commands.(big bboard forums often switch to [ and ] for the same codes as they have their own set of posting commands).
I’m happy to see another page before the end of the month, even if it took more then a week. I understand RL can get in the way. Update when you can and I’ll check everyday, if there isn’t a new page I can still have fun reading the comments.
Oh and happy Leap day! February 29th, the day that only happens once every four years. I’m not sure what time it will say when I post this, but it’s still the 29th here.
*looks at the time of the post* Wow, that is REALLY off. It’s five hours ahead of me. Seems I made the post just in time.
I forgot to say earlier, I like the Baker Vs. Baker thing as well. “Celery Boy” and “You give new meaning to self-loathing.”
Just started reading this yesterday, and I love it (which is saying something, considering I’m a fairly new fan and have to keep running to Wikipedia for explanations)! I can’t wait for the next installment.
Renegade Dalek (re:Script for alt.pg83) – Really all you have to do is type the URL into the message window. It’ll appear as a linkable URL on the comment that people can click on. The only thing that doesn’t seem to work for anyone who doesn’t have administrative powers is putting pictures directly into the comment. If you just put the URL in I can add the code in after. Or, if it’s too large, we can leave it as a link.
As for your script itself, very cute, heheh. Having trouble hearing the Master saying “– Hey, come back here!” though. And the 5th Doctor’s right. Showing up just to provoke a battle between Daleks obsessed with destroying eachother is kinda pointless. Still, I am amused.
Gallifrey: Yay! Glad it made you smile.
Gnome: *Nods* I guess I can see your point about it being Meta. But it is written by a fanboy, for fellow fankids. So..*shrug* paint me guilty. Personally I’m a big fan of the drops of references. And there’s a lot more of them in the new shows then many people realize. Yes, there’s the obvious ones like the Cyberman head in the glass case and Sarah Jane showing up with K9. But then there’s the real subtle tips. Like the fact that the Face of Boe comes from the Isop Galaxy. Or the incidental appearance of the Macra. The secret is to do it subtly so that new fans aren’t put off and old fans are left squeeing. This comic, however, is not about subtlety. I’m laying my meta on with a steamroller. If people enjoy the ride, I win! If I’m left on my own giggling to myself over my doodles, I still win.
KelincilHutan: Heheh, thanks!
Lady Tweed: Yay! Thanks for spreading the word!
Mea Culpa: Heheh… baby TARDIS, eh? We had loads of fun coming up with new shapes when I was running the Doctor Who RPG some years ago. We had the obvious (Phone booth, small spaceships, trees, rocks, pianos, pillar boxes, doors..) to the somewhat more strange and unusual (Suitcases, lamp posts, Daleks) right through to the totally weird, cool or ridiculous (Huge pillar of fire, fog bank, giant egg with hinged doors on the front, miniature of the Tomb of Rassilon, gigantic egg timer, etc).
Evil Midnight Lurker: Yeah, sustained angry 4th Doctor is a bit of a stretch, but if you read through the sequence in one go, it really isn’t all that long, and he IS being berated by a future, somewhat embarrassing incarnation. As for season 6b, that’s great! Its pretty much the only way to explain away the 2nd Doctor’s later appearances and it opens up a whole world of new possibilities for him.
Cynthia Wakefield: Hahah, he certainly can be!
Heather: Actually I found him to be positively grumpy almost all the way through Logopolis. Granted, he was aware that he was going to die through most of it, the Master was being a total jackass in his mind, and add to that the fact that whiney Adric was his sole companion at the start….
Lennie: There are a few Doctors who simply couldn’t get along with any of the others because they’re so… erm… individualist? I dunno. The 4th Doctor and the 6th Doctor in particular I can’t see getting along with the others. In fact, I imagine all of them pretty much just tolerate the others when they have to. Except, as you can see, my 2nd and 6th Doctors who are just so similar and fun loving that they’d probably get a kick out of hanging out for a bit.
JustAWanderer: I’ve always felt that the Doctors have tried to make the best of whatever regeneration the’ve given and, after a period of uncertainty (for some, like the 5th Doctor’s melancholy comment to the mirror: “That’s the trouble with regeneration, you never quite know what you’re going to get.” or the 7th Doctor’s sulk “You don’t understand regeneration, Mel. It’s a lottery and I’ve drawn the short plank.”) they settle in, get used to the new body and then the arrogance comes back. They each feel that they’ve improved on the last one and can’t forsee the other’s attempts as an improvement. They all feel they’re the pinnical of themselves. I can imagine that it’d be the same for any of us. Imagine meeting youreself in a past form. The early teenage you and the opinions and behaviour you had at the time. Or a future you where you’ve aged noticeably and your feelings about the world have changed again. Sometimes it’d be fun. More often you’d argue impatiently with yourself, I think.
Renegade Dalek: Yes, sorry about taking so long to get back to you.
Dr.Bunsen: Perfectly summed up what I was rambling about. Thank you.
Renegade Dalek: Yes, the writers do have fun with mixed pronouns.
No, nobody’s ignoring you. But this is a comment area. Not a forum.
Guess you’ll have to wait and see what happens next! Mwah hah hah.
Gnome: Watch Logopolis again.
The Creeping Spleen: *bows* Thanks!
Jonn Wolfe: Heeheh. Thanks. If by ‘Professor’ you mean the 7th Doctor, that would be if the 6th Doctor regenerated. What I think would REALLY happen if the 4th Doctor was killed by Daleks in this storyline is that everything from that point foreward would alter and cease to exist. The 5th through 10th Doctors would vanish and be replaced by a totally new 5th incarnation that didn’t resemble Peter Davison necessarily at all. I think the regenerations are at least partially situationally and environmentally influenced. And if it did wind up looking like Peter Davison, it might have a totally different personality. So the comic would continue with the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and new 5th Doctors. And the universe would be really screwed up.
Mreen: No, you’re right. But if anyone has comments to make about RD’s page, please feel free to do so.
Captain Shade: Thanks for the backup there. I do live in the RL and visit the intarweb when I can.
Mreen: I hadn’t considered that before, actually. But it makes sense. When the 2nd Doctor was genetically altered in “The Two Doctors” it took a while for the effects to travel through the time line to catch up to the 6th Doctor, and he managed to stop it before it finally took him over. So maybe you’re right. My theoretical 5th Doctor mentioned above might show up right there and the 6th Doctor would know that he had to start doing some crazy time damage control before the alterations caught up to him and he turned into whatever new 5th Doctor regenerated into.
You know, this is a fascinating concept. Might be fodder for a future 10 Doctors comic.
Renegade Dalek: 1: See above.
2: Just like regular coding. Or just put the url directly into the comment box.
3: The emoticons appear automatically when you type the symbols. Colins and brackets and stuff. Unless the settings don’t work with your particular isp, server, browser, etc etc.
wulfae: Yup. I think the ability to do certain codes are disabled for anyone who’s not admin.
Mreen: Yes.
Sailorgreeny: Thanks for reading and enjoying. Hope your Feb 29th was a good one.
Aynisha: Haha! Welcome to Doctor Who geekdom. I’m glad you’re enjoying it!
Rich: …. RICH??? Oh no! Are you a future incarnation of me? *Next week on “The Two Riches”…*
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RICH SAID: “There are a few Doctors who simply couldn’t get along with any of the others because they’re so… erm… individualist? I dunno. The 4th Doctor and the 6th Doctor in particular I can’t see getting along with the others. In fact, I imagine all of them pretty much just tolerate the others when they have to. Except, as you can see, my 2nd and 6th Doctors who are just so similar and fun loving that they’d probably get a kick out of hanging out for a bit.”
Well, first, I assume you mean the 7th. And second, I think the 10th Doctor might be an exception to that theory. As seen in Time Crash, he seems that if it weren’t for the threat to the universe part, he would be delighted to see all his past selves again, even the 6th! I imagine he enjoys a chance to hang out and save the universe with his past.
I also don’t think the 6th Doctor is that bad. In fact, deep down, he’s probably as friendly as the others. I think he means well, but his brashness seems to always get provoked.
Sean: Doh. Yeah. The 7th Doctor is what I meant. And I don’t know about the 10th. I mean, yeah he was delighted to see the 5th Doctor at first. He’s been the last Time Lord for a while now and the 5th not only is SORT OF another Time Lord, but also reminding him of a time when things weren’t so glum. But he started picking him apart like the others all did, muttering about the back of his head and commenting on the celery. Most telling, I think, was the bit where he goes on about how the 5th Doctor didn’t use the sonic screwdriver. I’m sure if they were thrust into a lengthy adventure together they’d start bickering again. The 5th Doctor certainly had no problem ripping into him.
On the other hand, the 10th is a bit more of a free spirit than many of the others. So it could well be that I’m wrong about all that.
As for the 6th Doctor being “as friendly as the others”…. you should watch his episodes again. “The Two Doctors” in particular. His arrogance far outshone his congeniality on MOST occasions. He seemed to start mellowing out by “Trial of a Time Lord”, but not a whole lot.
I would really like to begin a doctor who comic strip just like yours but i can not draw I can come up with ideas for a story line and would really like to know how and where to go to begin a strip like your’s
I have been out trying to get some information on how to get started with beginning drwaing and would like to know if you need softwear or can you download some stuff to get going.
I would like to begin a strip like yours but with some added characters Doctors companions et all.
can you give me any info on how and where to begin please email me back as soon as possible so that i might get going on this kind of thing.
How did you set your comic strip up it is very good and i would like to do one very samilar but with addtional characters.
Please let me know straight away.
Thank’s Jay!
Yes, that’s true, but in the audios, he seems to have mellowed out far more, and was portrayed as happier and calmer.
Colin Baker himself has stated that had he stayed on for as long as had been intended, it would have been revealed the beneath all the melodramatic arrogance and whatnot was a heart of gold. “Underneath his blustering exterior, he was more determined than ever in his universal battles against evil, possessed of a tenacity and a thirst to do what was right that was far more visible than ever before.”
You yourself, Rich, have shown his caring side as well, on page 35, when he comforts the 9th Doctor.
Jay: Uh…. gee Jay, that’s a tough one to answer. I have been drawing since I was a little kid. I took art lessons in High school went to a special art college and have been drawing professionally for animation studios for a long time now. I don’t use any software for the comic itself. I draw with HB pencil on normal white paper and use Photoshop only to scan it in resize it and do the lettering. We use iStrip for making the website for the other comic “Yet Another Fantasy Gamer Comic”.
When I started this thing I just took a regular piece of paper, divided it into 8 panels, photocopied it a bunch of times and started drawing. That’s it.
In college and on the job I learned a lot about storytelling, layout, character design, storyboarding (which I’m doing now for several different kid’s shows on TV) and so on.
All I can tell you is draw draw draw. The more you do it, the faster you’ll improve. It took me over 30 years to get to the point I’m at now.
Sean: Yeah my exposure to the audios is a little limited, but from what little I’ve heard he does seem to be a bit more amiable. I have always actually assumed that this is the direction his Doctor would have taken as well, and I do give a nod to that in this comic. I’d like for him to be likeable. He did get severely shortchanged in the series. Important note, though. I am basing this comic off of what was seen in the show for the most part, with only a passing and occasional miniscule acknowlegements of other media (book, audios, etc) Since my exposure to them is similarly petite.
Oh man, I love the audios. I mean, I like the blustery 6 from the show, but I love how he’s just got a squishy marshmallow center in the audios (imagery just has to be used since he’s the only Doctor I think I’ve ever heard say to a companion “I think we both need a cuddle.”). Actually, these days, I find 6 a lot more loveable than 10, because while 10 seems open and inviting and fun, that’s him on the outside, and he can turn around and be cold and scary, and it’s much more frightening than 6’s bluster (or even violence) ever really was to me. And then you have 6, who’s all loud arrogance, and then inside, well, like you said, heart of gold.
(Judging from a couple other places I lurk, I think today is unofficial Love on Six day…)
Though his comforting on page 35 smacks more of “Come on and get over it” than actual Six-styled comfort.
Jay, I’m not Rich, but I do know a bit about drawing and scripting comics. I can’t imagine why you’d need software to draw. Certainly photoshop helps in the cleaning-up process, but if you’re just learning you to draw, that shouldn’t be too high on your list. As to writing a strip and all, I have to ask, and I don’t mean this in a mean way, but is English your first language? Because if not, you may be better served doing it in your own language and having a friend do translations for you, like a few webcomic artists do.
As to how to get started drawing, it’s pretty simple–you pick up a pencil and start. I mean, there’s all the tutorials you can find online about how to draw heads/feet/people/hands/etc, and those are good starting points, but mostly, it comes down to just drawing until you know what you’re doing.
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I’m told that part comes eventually…*checks watch*…aaaaany day now for me, I’m sure….
Man, Rich, your idea about the whole idea about the alternate 5 Doctor, and 6 (or any later Doctor) having to do damage control before re-regenerating, or whathaveyou…that’s pretty sweet and hardcore. Guess that’s why we all love this strip, man–you’re the man with master plans and the fantastic ideas. Thanks for doing this thing; it’s really just amazing.
Yes thank’s this sure does help somewhat.
So yeah i can try to do some of this I will try to find out what HB pencils are and this will help that i may not need softwear to get started.
Being as i am a beginning artist anything just might help.
I certainly can look up the infor that you did mention in your post.
I do ahve the ideas for the kind of comic that i want to do.
and I do have a scanner as well so maybe i can get going with some information real soon .
Any other ideas on how to get started will be great.
I can post again and see what i can find out to get started..
I have this kind of great idea for a doctor who comic.
So yeah i will sure try to see what i can do amd let you know on the whole idea.
Sure would be neat to get a strip going!
Jay!
“Watch out or I’ll go back and turn the Pharos dish myself.” Aha! Brillent, absolutly brillent. Number 6 just doesn’t seem to like his past selves alot, does he?
Jay, HB pencils are just normal pencils. They’re also sometimes known as ‘number 2′ pencils. If you were to find a pencil on the floor in a mall, it’d most likely be an HB pencil. All Rich means is that he doesn’t really use anything special or secret to draw, he just draws.
(I’m still looking for that file>make picture awesome button that HAS to be hidden in photoshop, somewhere.)
Yes Iwent out and got some lat night so maybe i can figure it out yet and get started with something.
i have the story line but need help with drawing it it i am not very good in art but stories are not to much of a problem.
Nay further suggestions are certianly welcome on how to get the drwaing done.
I can look up the info given to me so far that is good information.
Jay!
Jay, If you want a good book that teaches drawing, check out the Preston Blair books. Seeing as I have no idea where you live, you might be able to find this in your local library. Wal-mart used to carry the oversized books published by Walter Foster, they might still.
This is what the collected version looks like. These books talk about construction and structure in your drawings, lines of action, and all that great stuff. There’s a few pages online, over at the ASIFA blog.
A future 10 Doctors where one Doctor is killed off thru some weapon or instance that shifting timelines – and the others are slowly replaced, frantically trying to correct the timeline before they all become alternate people …that does sound like fun! Already I am seeing 10 trying to work with 5, to turn around and suddenly realize that Peter/5 is gone, and he’s talking to a SamBecket/5 looking Doctor. #4 had been replaced by a Garath Thomas as he looked in Blake’s 7 a mere 2 panals ago. #6 is working frantically, several panals later, trying to stop the regeneration as he begins morphing back and forth from Ramsey of the BBC’s Kitchen Nightmares ..
Sounds like a winner! Tho it might not even be 1/Hartnell that is killed off, but a later one, so the originals and the decreasing laters are working while their middle versions keep changing – perhaps even the middle ones try to fight it off as they realize their existance comes with a price – the potential destruction of the universe…
I’ll stop now as I’m sure you’ve got your own ideas you want to play with
So long as one of them is Philip Glenister.
Oh, I’d be lying if I said I totally didn’t really really want him for Eleven. Although I guess with Eccleston, we’ve already had a hardened Northern jerk, but dangit…I still wanna see it…
It’d be pretty cool if at least one of them did the whole morphing back and forth…crap, now I’ve got fangirly all over me.
Jay–Loomis books, if you can find them, are priceless for help with drawing. I think they’re out of print, but if you look around, you can probably find a pdf for some of them.
Thank’s for the continuing information.
I am out here trying to find out howmto get going on all of this.
I am not sure what you mean by and or about killing off a doctor in and all the doctors story line.
I think this has been kind of attemted a few time and it never really has worked because the Doctors are all linked to one another and to even diminish any one of them has very serious complications to any and all of the rest of them.
So to try this would not work because the rest of them would then find a way to reverse the death of any of therte pervious selves or all of them would run into what just might be a complete dead end to all of the Doctors.
i would not go this way with the Doctor’s but would bring in my own addtional charactors to issure that this will not happen
This is where i want to go with my own story line.
Which i do have in mind to do.
Thank’s Jay!
A very good and possibly true theory about the Time War being fake.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj31ajsuBTY
I suggest watching it. It’s very good.
hehe Yes, I’ve seen that before, and I have to say it seems extremely plausible. Now, whether it’s actually what RTD has in mind or whether “The Time War is a Sham” just happens to fill the currently available plot holes, only time will tell.
“… to even diminish any one of them has very serious complications to any and all of the rest of them.”
That’s rather what makes it so interesting. The idea would be something that awful and life-changing happening, and the Doctor’s incarnations having to struggle with the consequences.
Huh. Not so sure about that theory. Seems plausible, falls apart at the Susan bit for me (which is pretty small, admittedly). Why would leaving Susan on Earth in Earth’s future and then seeing her fine in the Five Doctors have any nevermind on the theory at all, if Time Lord time is relative to Gallifrey and each other? The Time War wouldn’t've happened yet.
It’s interesting, though. Sounds plausible. Doesn’t mean I like it (or maybe just the overall tone of the presentation). Would like to see Drax show up, though…
Hey, RIch, if two or three references per panel is your ideal — please go for it! I wasn’t trying to rain on the parade. Honest! I just thought I’d throw in my own fannish (two-) sense. (D’you see what I did there?).
I’m enjoying the run and curious how it will come together. It feels like there could be another 100 pages or more to wrap it all up. Do you have an outline, or are you just winging it?
er, What am I looking for in Logopolis…?
I’m just sayin’ it’s a fan comic designed to celebrate the series as a whole.
As for Logopolis, it contains a reasonably sustained grumpy 4th Doctor.
Well, Tom was a bit subdued that whole season, and Logopolis *was* his final story, *and* he was made to act alongside a fairly immature semi-actor (to put it mildly). I’d be grumpy, too.
Cool:)
Can’t wait for more. This is the coolest thing *they* don’t block/
~Levanta
There are going to be 100 pgg, right?
LevanTa
Laura, what the person was trying to say is that the Doctor can’t be the last timelord because there were a few timelords that were independent from Gallifrey like Susan and Drax.
“Laura, what the person was trying to say is that the Doctor can’t be the last timelord because there were a few timelords that were independent from Gallifrey like Susan and Drax.”
Really? See, that I expected. I was hoping for Drax, Susan, and the Rani to show up again later, if they hadn’t all been called home (though if they freaking brought back the Master for the Time War…*shrug*). The gist I got from the vid was that the Time War had ended with the Daleks being captured and imprisioned, but instead of a prison keyed to any time traveler’s DNA, it was keyed specifically to the Doctor, who had his mind wiped of the experience, and had a new memory put in place, that of the Time Lords vanishing with the Daleks.
Then again, I was watching it in a hurry while getting ready for class, so I wasn’t really paying uber attention.
Either way, if the big important ending of the Time War is a lie…well, there’s a very fine line between surprising your audience (good) and lying to them (bad). The only thing worse than lying to the audience is boring them. The thing is, if you lie to them, you start to lose credibility. See Marvel Comics. “Oh man, they killed Banshee? Darn, I like him. Ah well, he’ll be back in a few years or something.”
Ah, but that’s the fun thing about fiction, Laura, you can shape it to whatever you want. Currently The Doctor presumes he’s the Last of the Time Lords, but as we’ve learned there are others floating about. Especially when the Face of Boe once stated to The Doctor, he’s ‘not alone.’
However, I also argee with deceiving your audience because after awhile, they not only lose credibility, but interest as well. Still I feel the Time War thing was a bit on the deceptive side, since I’ve found it hard to believe a bunch of pepperpots destroyed Gallifrey. Something else had to be behind the planet’s demise, and the Daleks were inadvertently the pawns. Which seems to be the Time Lords’ Motus Operandi at times.
Still like the banter between Four and Six.
Well, the sound of it was that it was the Doctor who destroyed Galifrey. I can see the Daleks as pawns anyway, but I’d still figure that they’d gotten their (figurative) hands on something so important that it was better to destroy it than let the pepperpots (and/or whoever was manipulating them) have control over it.
I keep going back to that line of the Master’s, something like “I was there when the Supreme Emperor took control of the Citadel” or something filled with equally impressive buzzwords. I remember in a DWM interview, RTD talked about how he had his own vision of what that meant, and that it was something truly horrific.
Yeah, back to the comic…that banter is great. This Six fangirl in me is well pleased (man, I love it when he looks like a disgruntled sheep…which is most of the time). Can’t wait to see what brilliant idea Four comes up with.
Teehee.
This comic never ceases to amaze me. Quite entertaining!
Hmm. I’m interested in the rumor/gossip/speculation being told among fellow obsessed nerds. I HAVE heard that the Rani is going to show up in Season 4. I just hope that they don’t choose someone young and pretty. I mean, you’ve pulled it off here, Rich, but…
I mean, it seems like with the Tennant Doctor and the Simms Master that they’re trying to make them all…cool.
Does that make it sound like I have more faith in a fancomic author than the BBC when it comes to preservation of character? Because, I’m starting to wonder…
You should totally usurp RTD. I’d support you.
It’d be sorta like doing the 10 Doctors, only you’d have resources and flunkies and you’d get paid.
Whoops, switched rant topic. I do that a lot.
***SPOILERS BELOW***
Also, why is Rose coming back for 3 episodes? I mean, I like Rose, but isn’t that odd? I can understand a two-parter, but a three-parter is just weird. Like LotTL, sorta kinda maybe. And how are they going to do it? Coming through the universes for what, a last tragic goodbye again before being forced back? That sounds really lame and it’d make me smack someone. I suppose it could be another time-warp thing, and it would be a past Rose. That’s still kind of iffy, because then you have to do the memory wipe. Ugh.
Honestly, I wish they’d stop jerking us around and make up their minds once in a while.
And I’m happy ’cause they’re bringing back the Ood!
***SPOILERS BELOW***
The Ood! Sweet! (Although their faces look a bit too much like…oh nevermind). I’m looking forward to the Sontarans, and I swear, I heard something about the Ice Warriors (I’d love to see Ice Warriors that were actually, em…scary, y’know).
I actually like Rose, and I’m more than a little miffed that she’s coming back. The only thing that annoys me more than that is that so many fans think that she’s going to be the one who’s jealous of Martha…which just…doesn’t gel.
And while I loved the Doctor/Rose relationship, I hope it doesn’t get sappy and mushy when she comes back. I want to see her cool and mature after working for Torchwood. I heard somewhere that it might be something with just Rose, Martha, and Donna, where the Doctor didn’t show up or interact with her or something. I wouldn’t mind that. It’s hard enough liking the whole Rose/Doctor thing in this fandom (seriously, some of you old-fen are a bit “hey you kids, get off my lawn!” No offense) without having RTD make even more mush than he already has.
If I had my way about it, it would be that Time Warp thing, just so we could A)get to see the Nine/Rose relationship (which I liked so much more than her relationship with Ten), and B)get to see Nine and Ten interact. Man, I want to see that happen so much. Nine would have absolutely zero patience with Ten.
I agree about the Rani–she’s gotta be like Rich’s Rani. Seriously, enough with the young, pretty things (although I will not complain about Simm…at all. I am a woman, dangit…). I thought Simm!Master made sense in context, just because he was like goatee-verse Doctor, almost. But when/if he comes back, I wouldn’t mind him being a bit more…classic…
Argh, I’m so just using this as an excuse not to be drawing. Sorry. I’ll stop.
The real whole idea of the time war was not to wipe out the dalaks and or to destory the Time lords at all.
The real underlying idea for and about the time war was for the Doctor to wipe out the BBC and to put an end to all of this rubbish that he is canon which is not and never has been the Doctor is omnipotent he is all powerful and he has stated so just a few time I for one am sick and trired of this ccaon rubbish the Doctor is a complete free agent he ansewers to noone save his formed selves!
Just think about it if he finally does get free of the BBC and there infernal meddling with him what can and will he really do Hmmm!
I am far more then just another Time Lord and I am the final athority it stops with me there is noone beyond me to ansewer to no second chances!! Etc!
Oh i want this so bad I can just taste it!
The doctor is far more then he appears to be!
Jay!
Levanta T: 100 pages? I think I’m going to need a hell of a lot more than that to wind this thing up.
Fangarius: Everyone underestimates the Daleks. They have always been a serious threat. They took over the Earth, established enough of an empire that entire worlds were destroyed or subjugated. Planets would band together just to fight them out of fear. By “Genesis of the Daleks” the Time Lords had resorted to illegal temporal interferance to try to prevent them being the threat they obviously became. If the friggin’ Sontarans could invade, I’m pretty sure the Daleks could do what they did. Anyway, I believe it was the Doctor who was forced to destroy everything, Daleks, Time Lords, & Gallifrey.
Still, I haven’t watched the video clip yet, so I’m just going by what I know so far.
Turnip: Thank you! Me? Usurp RTD? Become a full time producer of Doctor Who? *eyes shine with whistful gushing* Ohhhhhh… that would be so sweet. Don’t know how that could happen, but I woud SO LOVE to do that.
Laura: Actually, I did like Rose. I thought she was a reasonable replacement for Ace at first. Tough, streetsmart… it was the relationship crap I hated. Liked Martha too -at first. But her painful mooning neutered her. It’s not the new companions I hate, it’s how they’ve been turning the relationship between Doctor and companion into cheese-and-sugar oatmeal.
And my Rani, incidently, is supposed to look like Kate O’Mara. It’s not meant to be a new incarnation, though I grant that I gave her way too much height. I thought Kate O’Mara was pretty hot. *shrug*
*gasps in shock* WHAT? Draw draw draw!
Jay: Hmm… I think the BBC would just cancel him then.
*hides eyes*
Uh, can we go easy on the Sesaon 4 spoilers, guys? I know it’s fun to discuss upcoming stuff if you’re a spoiler fan – but some of us are big spoiler-phobes and frankly I’m a bit miffed that months of me meticulously avoiding any mention of upcoming characters and whatnot has just been done away with by a couple of careless posters.
Please be careful.
Honestly, i never really liked the Doctor/Rose companionship that much. No offence ment to her, Rose was pretty cool, but she was a like love interest and that not right. With all the years of him having companions and being more or less emotionaly detched, with the occasional companion death and him being emo for about one more episode.
Him being as emotionaly attached as he was to Rose just isn’t Doctor-like. I get that it’s after he belives he’s the last of his kind and all, but it’s absolutly riddiculous Me and my Whovian sister got a little pissed off after the episode with the space Titanic. It looks a bit like he’s turining into Captain Kirk! *shudder* Again, Rose was pretty cool, but love interests that serious with the Doctor aren’t really ment to be. EXPECIALY with a human.
***SPOILERS BELOW***
*Spoliers that I have heard of*
I hear there’s going to be an episode called The Doctor’s Daughter or somthing like that.
Besides the Billie Piper thing, I also have suspisions about the Rani comming back to.
Thanks for the heads up, Heather. I’m not going to be reading any more of the comments on this entry, just for that.
If people must post spoilers, maybe have a great big SPOILER!!!!!! tage and then a couple of empty lines, so people who don’t want to read them don’t need to?
“Levanta T: 100 pages? I think I’m going to need a hell of a lot more than that to wind this thing up.”
Oh, there goes my thoughts.
I`ve just realised/noticed that one week today it`ll be ONE WHOLE YEAR since Rich started this!!!
And we`re still only on episode one…
Way to go Rich!
Holy crap.. that long?
Actually it’s longer ’cause I started putting the comics up on Deviant Art gallery before we started this Comic’s Blog.
The whole point here is that the Doctor does not need the BBC to exsits he is and has always been way beyond them to exsits the Doctor can live without the BBC but can the BBC exsits without the Doctor!
Rich i want to send you some link’s which contain one of my mian ideas for my own comic strip series.
I have an addtional Doctor which i do want to add in my comic story.
Can i send you some links so that you can get an idea where i want to go with my own comic strip.
Please do let me know so that i can get my own comic strip going then i can sound it out somewhat more.
Jay!
Thanks for going back and adding the spoiler tags, Rich. (I presume it was you who did it. If not, thanks Hilary.
) Hopefully in the future people who write about unaired epidsodes will add such tags themselves.
As to the relationship with Rose, I’m really in two camps. On one hand, there’s no reason why the Doctor shouldn’t be attracted to women, and find love in unexpected places. The classic series (especially in the beginning) was geared more towards a younger audience and so the Beeb just kept him very asexual. That didn’t stop his companions falling in love with other people – a couple of them left him specifically to settle down with the man of their dreams. So it’s nice to see the Doctor get a bit of romance in his life here and there.
On the other hand, Rose isn’t the one I would have picked for a love interest. For starters, he’s 900 and some change while she’s 19. Now, I understand that if he’s choosing from a human pool everyone’s going to seem like a baby next to him – but 19 is pretty young even by Earth standards. And gods, couldn’t he have found someone a little less whiny? Frankly, I think he’d have done better to have Rose as a regular-style companion for a couple of years, and then have Martha as his love interest. She’s much more on the Doctor’s level. Still, RTD wanted to have a love interest straight off, and Billie Piper was who they got as the companion, so that’s how it went.
Thanks for the spoiler tags – I have to be fast on the scroll button because just about every Doctor Who site has posters that seem determined to spoil things for next season – for those of us who dont want to know, its alway treacherous ground, no matter what the topic! Glad I can read your comic and the comments with someone looking out to help us stay spoiler free
You sir, are a wonderful, wonderful man, and I would like to steal your loved ones.
How is Martha better? Because she had college education and a real job? Personality wise, Martha is actually less suited than Rose is. For one, someone with Rose’s background probably couldn’t even afford to become a doctor, even if she wanted to. Besides which, the Doctor is like, what, 1000? Older? And a /Time Lord./ The smartest humans wouldn’t be at his level. So, for companions education isn’t a factor for the Doctor liking them because they simply couldn’t match him. It’s not their fault, it’s just a fact. Therefore it doesn’t really matter if you’re a lawyer or a laundry person, the important thing is that spark that makes you Companion material. Which, in my opinion, Rose had more of. Take away her medical training and Martha has what, exactly, going for her?
Actually, when I spoke of Martha being more on the Doctor’s level, I wasn’t referring to her education or upbringing at all.
Don’t get me wrong – I like Rose well enough, and I enjoyed watching her grow and develop during the series. But her pouty little girl act wasn’t terribly appealing, and to me it seemed that Martha’s no-nonsense attitude was more the sort of thing that should gel with the Doctor. Sure, Rose reached a point eventually where she was a bit more independent, but I always got the feeling that deep down there’d always be this core of whiny neediness, and frankly I don’t see the Doctor putting up with sixty years of that.
“Take away her medical training and Martha has what, exactly, going for her?”
Martha spent a year walking all around a Toclafane-devastated Earth telling people about the Doctor. She also had to financially support him in Blink and make sure he didn’t do anything too unDoctorish in Human Nature for three months. Rose whined about being a dinner lady for three days, and her big act of companion heroism was nagging her mother into borrowing a truck to tear a hole in the TARDIS so it could semi-possess her. And at least Martha actually had some skills to take away.
Normally, if there’s two companions, there’ll be a human girl, who acts as the Damsel in distress, then there’ll be the alien boy who knows how to work the TARDIS controls and sometimes carries a weapon around. For example, in Bad Wolf, the Doctor and Jack both broke out of their games whilst Rose was still trapped on the Weakest Link and got transported onto the Dalek ship, actually why didn’t she just run? The Doctor and Jack had already broken into the studio to save her.
Celery boy:)
XD Martha whined.
http://sarcasticfox.deviantart.com/art/Don-t-make-me-laugh-64492813
Now, I’m not saying that I hate Martha. But I did find her somewhat annoying.
And frankly, I’m tired of people using the dinner lady thing as a point. It’s a totally different situation.
They didn’t know for a fact that there were aliens in the school, all they had was Mickey saying that something was fishy. They didn’t think it was important, just a waste of time when they could be off on another world.
With LotTL, the world has been taken over, the Doctor is a withered old man and practically out of commission, and that was the only possible hope they had. Everything is being controlled by a crazy, poweful Time Lord who gets his fun by wiping countries off the map with his army of almost indestructable drones. Of course she didn’t complain, she had bigger things to think about! With School Reunion, the biggest thing on everyone’s mind was getting it over with.
Besides, being a dinner lady sucks. Especially when the kids are all snot-nosed little twerps like the jerks that went to that private school. In my old grade school, one person from our class had to go help serve the food to all the other classes each day. Everyone hated that job; it smelled funny and the hair nets were killer, not to mention how plastic gloves get all clammy and nasty. I’d take an alien invasion any day.
“But her pouty little girl act wasn’t terribly appealing, and to me it seemed that Martha’s no-nonsense attitude”
Honestly, I’m constantly seeing this double-standard between Rose and Martha. For one…I don’t know, maybe it’s because in my family, we comunicate by jokingly complaining (oh, that Catholic Itallian upbringing, it’ll get ya every time…) all the time (mostly because we’re all of the opinion that, if something’s wrong, out with it, and if it starts a big hissy fit, well, at least it’s out in the air and over with), but I never really found her whiny. I’m not saying she didn’t whine, but, well, almost everybody whines. I didn’t find her whiny in particular.
Besides, if you want to press my whiny button, pining and sighing and making sheeps eyes will go so so much further to annoy me than griping or pouting. I had pretty much no patience for that sort of thing in high school when it was common, and I have even less now. So I never really found Martha that “no-nonsense” because even when she got the good sense to up and leave (although…leaving a fantastic adventure, pretty much for the sole reason that “oh wah, I have a crush on him and he doesn’t love me back!” seems a bit, well, sad), she still went about it like such a martyr (Sort of “Feel guilty because you’re not romantically interested in me!”)
Rose’s “whining” about being a dinner lady…okay, so…that’s whining, then? Because I just thought it was funny. There’s playfully griping about things, and there’s whining, and I really think that fell into the former category. As to the walking around the Earth, not to diss Martha, who is really cool in her own right, but I really think it’s, to borrow a metaphor from Joss Whedon, a sort of “moving at the speed of plot” thing. Whichever companion the Doctor was with would have to do it, be it Jamie or the Brigadier or Mel or Ace…they would’ve done it. The same with a lot of what she did. And I think that’s why Martha leaves me cold, just because…she did some very cool and amazing things, but there was nothing particularly distinctive in how she did them. She just felt like a lesser version of Rose. Or not “lesser.” Just…another.
But I feel like you can’t say Rose “whined and nagged” her way into saving the Doctor in PoW, but not say that Martha was kind of whiny with the whole “I love you, Doctor, now change back!” thing in Human Nature. Of course, I say that and I feel just as bad, because I don’t want to demean Martha’s role, I just think that it’s drastically unfair to paint such a delibrately bleak picture on Rose’s decision not to give up because the Doctor taught her better than that (ah, okay, perseverence=whining?), but have Martha coming out aces, when she really wasn’[t any better. She wasn’t worse, but I honestly don’t think she was any better. I just think people who see Rose as whiny, especially if it’s always in scenes like the ones that you mentioned, are really just looking for something to hate. Like people who go on about how “I Wanna Be Like You” from the Jungle Book is a big racists deal. Well, I guess if you turn it sideways and squint…I dunno…
I’m just saying, I’ll gladly take Rose’s griping, playful or actually getting things that bother her out in the open so that they can be aired and forgotten, over Martha’s constant, lingering sadness, or however you’d call it. Martha did the quiet pouting, the “something’s bothering me, but I’m going to pretend it’s not, but I’m really bad at it, so you’ll know that something’s wrong and I’m just being really brave and noble and covering it up…” I hate dealing with that in real life. It made me distinctly uncomfortable watching it for almost an entire season (granted, the Doctor didn’t help by generally being a completely insensitive-but-charming jerk, so I don’t think Martha has the lion’s share of the blame for how annoying that got, really).
And I hate to say this, but aside from her having her little unrequinted crush on the Doctor…I didn’t feel like she had much of a distinctive personality from those that came before.
It’s just something that’s really bothered me, the whole double-standard with them. Of course, I’m probably a hypocrite for all the anti-Martha in this post…balance, maybe?
Please, RTD, you had better keep Donna so freaking platonic. Don’t screw up another potentially cool character by having her fall in love with the Doctor. Donna has way too much sense for that!
Just made a big long, post, but…
“Of course she didn’t complain, she had bigger things to think about! With School Reunion, the biggest thing on everyone’s mind was getting it over with.”
I missed that in my babbling, but good point.
“Besides, being a dinner lady sucks.”
Oh man, it does. I just finished up a dishwasher stint–like dinner lady, but wetter and smellier. Oddly enough, I got through it by thinking “If Rose could do it…” Same for the last awful retail job I had. “Martha worked in a shop. Martha worked in a shop. I can do this…”
My head hurts… : |
I completely agree with you about Donna. I’m hoping for not only platonic, but a sort of constantly-bickering insult sort of friendship. Donna seems like the sort of person to go for that. Even if she does have a Miss Piggy gasp, which is highly annoying. Maybe there’ll even be an official male Companion. I say official because I don’t really count Jack or Mickey…they didn’t stick around long enough, really. They’re awesome, especially since Mickey suddenly grew a spine somewhere in that alternate universe and became an action hero, but they really weren’t Companions per say. Not with a capital C. But yeah, that would be fun.
And I really want either someone who’s not from Earth (I know the Doctor loves us and all, but surely he could run into cool people elsewhere, too) or someone NOT from the 21st century. It would be fun to have a Victorian person who would be constantly scandalized by everything.
Maybe one of those blue people from Crespalion? Is that how its spelled? I always thought they were really awesome looking, being blue and all. With yellow cat eyes.
See, all that would have been irrelevant if they’d just left out the crappy romance stuff.
I actually liked the Doctor/Rose romance (no news there), but I’m inclined to agree. If there hadn’t been romance, there wouldn’t be quite so much freaking wank.
Jay, you can send me the links at my email address:
tuviasmadz at yahoo dot com.
Confidentially, Rich, I apologize for the misunderstanding. The truth is The Daleks are indeed a race to reckon with, but I what I meant to say was I doubt they acted alone with the destruction of Gallifrey, and I guess the Conspiracy Theorist in me wonders if the Time Lords haven’t been covertly manipulating them for their own agenda.
Because I do recall ‘Genesis of the Daleks,’ where The Doctor begins to have doubts why the Time Lords have genuinely sent him and his Companions to Skaro. On the surface, it ’seems’ as if the Time Lords want The Doctor to commit genocide, preventing The Daleks from coming into existence. However, when he considers how powerful the Time Lords are, factoring in the consequence if he dares carry out their schemes. Not to mention what would really become of him (remember Doctor One first encountered The Daleks centuries after their creation) if The Daleks ceased to exist.
I’m not saying they couldn’t invade, but as your story also suggests, something’s not kosher on Gallifrey, which Doctors One, Eight and Ten are trying to figure out, while Four wonders what Six is up to, and Two and Seven are stymied at what’s going on. Meanwhile Three and Five secretly determine the true agenda behind The Master’s alliance with the Galactic Federation and the Sontarans.
Because what really makes The Daleks a serious threat isn’t their weapontry, or excessive need for exterminating other races, but the fact you never quite know what they’re up to with their quest for Universal Domination. Nor what they might do if they succeeded at it, which Doctor Nine once questioned the Emperor Dalek about. That, and the fact, they can’t seem to get along. Then again, if I recall they once even turned on Davros, deeming him ‘inferior.’
As I said before, apologies for the vague comment, I composed it early in the morning just as my ride to work ushered me out. Great story, btw. Can’t wait for the next installments.
Let me just say that this comic is BRILLIANT. And I can’t get enough of it. I check every day, and if there isn’t a new page, I end up reading a bit again anyway. I just love the characterization of all the characters in how they’re drawn, how they act and what they say, especially 4, 5 and 1. But really, they’re all fantastic. And the story is amazing too! I’m on the edge of my seat, honestly. Not to mention all the villains and companions included as well… It’s a Doctor Who gold mine! Brilliant, absolutely brilliant. I love this comic and I can not wait for more!
Yes it is very good and it must continue for quite sometime i would hope so!
Jay!
*hides eyes again*
Ok, it looks like I’m just going to have to stop reading the comments section here.
There I was, reading Laura’s lovely long post – and while I didn’t necessarily agree with some of her points, she made a good, well-reasoned argument for her case. But then at the bottom is a big fat spoilery spoiler about the Season 4 companion. Gah! That’s yet another piece of information I’ve just learned that I’d worked very hard to avoid unti now. Pretty soon I’m not going to need to bother to watch Season 4 at all, at this rate.
Please, please, PLEASE, people – if you’re going to write something about stuff that’s not yet been aired anywhere, PLEASE put a spoiler tag on it. Or better yet, don’t write it in the first place.
Eh? Does it still count as a spoiler if it was announced by the BBC in an official press release, and there’s photos of it on the front page of the BBC’s official Doctor Who website? Where do we draw the line here?
Hi Rich! I can’t help but feel all this chat is detracting from your tremendously wonderful comic, for which we all await the next instalment with baited breath. In fact, if it appears very soon, it might even stop people bickering about Rose and Martha, there’s an incentive!
Yeh, I was gonna give my two cents worth regarding the Martha vs. Rose thing and thought better of it. And Rich put it better than I could.
BTW, Rob H, it’s “bated” breath, not “baited.” Baited breath would surely stink!
Oh gosh, Heather, I’m so sorry. Like Rob said, it’s just everywhere, press releases and plastered all over the past several issues of Doctor Who Magazine and all, that I completely forgot to even think of it as a spoiler. I’m so sorry about that; I didn’t mean to be so careless.
For pennance, how ’bout I stop hijacking the commets section for reasons completely unrelated to the comic?
“In fact, if it appears very soon, it might even stop people bickering about Rose and Martha, there’s an incentive!”
Though (again, my loud argumenative upbringing comes into play), I have to point out…there’s bickering, and there’s debating. C’mon, who doesn’t like a good debate? But yes, a new page equals fresh comment space for commenting on the comic.
Rich: See all that would have been irrelevant if they’d just left out the crappy romance stuff.
One thing I like about the classic series serials i’ve seen is that the story is just a Dalek/Cyberman/Sontaran/Zygon/Silurian/Sea Devil/Giant Maggot/Axon invasion etc. not a Dalek/Cyberman/Sontaran/Zygon/Silurian/Sea Devil/Giant Maggot/Axon invasion, meanwhile one of the companion in an emotional struggle with the Doctor. In the new series, that sort of emotional backstory is taking over the scientific alien bits, Dr. Who seems to be falling apart as a sci-fi show and turning into a sitcom. In the classic series we have Cybermen saying: ERADICATE THEM int The Age Of Steel one Cyberman said: I’m cold i’m so cold.
The Seventh Doctor taunting the Dalek Supreme into overloading with NONE COMPUTING INSUFFICENT DATA becomes the tenth Doctor slowly approaching Dalek Caan, who was in a similar situation, and saying “let me help you” before Caan temporal shifts away. Come on, what happened to Daleks blackmailing the galaxy as the only Parrinium source and building a massive time destructor, I’ll tell you what happened, people like John Nathan Turner & Russel T. Davies (is he the RTD you’re all on about?) completley changed the entire programme, in doing so ruining it.
“Your comment is awaiting moderation.” what does that even mean, it’s appeared on three comments of mine so far, one of which vanished, like this one might.
Renegade Dalek: You mean like the one where, right after someone asked that we flag spoilers and Hilary went to the trouble of retroflagging what was already up, you posted a list of every season 4 spoiler you could think of? Yeah, I deleted it. And we decided to moderate your input for the time being.
Fangarius: I think the pre-Davros Daleks could maybe have gotten there on their own. Perhaps. Still, the insider helping them is obviously the plot *I’m* using for the comic, so I can hardly disagree. Heh.
Lily Knotwise & Jay: Thank you!
Heather: Sorry about that. It’s a lot harder to keep some of it quiet when the information is so readily available. Hope you don’t get TOO jaded by possible spoilers. And keep in mind that many spoilers are rumours or false information deliberately leaked by production staff to hide their true secrets. If that helps any.
Rob H: If she’s deliberately avoiding media announcements.. then yes. It counts. Heh, it’s okay, I like to see the comments lists active. I’m just working on two shows at once at work and it’s hard to squeeze in time to do a page here and there. More is coming. Sorry for the wait.
George:
It’s all POO, that’s what it is.
Laura: It’s hard to know what is common knowledge and what isn’t, eh? Let’s just all try to be careful about it. It’s only fair.
My take on the Rose/Martha debate…DONNA ROCKS!!!. She’s a hot redhead, who don’t take no crap, and doesn’t want to shag the Doctor…’Nuff said.
Captain Shade: I agree with you. (Though I’m less concerned with her percieved hotness.
) But it’s a different dynamic with the Doctor, where she’ll be hopefully be continually challenging him, instead of giving him the ol’ hairy eyeball.
Renegade: The bit with the cyberman saying ‘I’m cold, I’m so cold’ didn’t ruin the cybermen for me at all. In fact, it took the menace they represented, and demonstrated a new side to the horror. Here was a woman who was going to get married with a life and a love and everything, and then this inhuman force stole it from her. Now she can never go back to what she was, since she is irrevocably a cyberman. The entire point of this bad guy is to show what can happen if we give up the very thing that makes humans different from machines, our emotions. What would happen if they were forcibly taken from us? How would you react in a situation you didn’t understand, where the only thing you could feel is a freezing in your soul?
And to make it even more heartrending, the man who wants to fix everything can do nothing. His victory over the cybermen is ended with a reminder that these enemies are not against him by choice, but have been coerced. There is no winning, only ending the conflict that is stealing the souls of so many.
This is a monstrous idea that hasn’t been explored in the original series, at least not up until where I’ve seen, which is somewhere in Four’s run. I think it expands the cyberman concept into something even more horrifying to a modern audience, since without the terrifying ideology they represent, men in tin suits marching around with weird tubes on their head has no possibility of scaring us.
And that’s my two cents on that.
I agree with you Wulfae. How on Earth can you say that that classic example of man vs. machine isn’t scifi? How many famous science fiction writers have focused on the pain involved when the line between computers and people blur? I mean, what about I-Robot? And I’m not talking about that crappy movie WHO STOLE THE NAME WITHOUT THE PLOTLINE, I’m talkin’ Asimov here. That one where there’s the empathetic android who has to lie in order not to harm someone, only to find that the lie caused them more pain in the end, which caused a conflict that drove him insane? Is that not science fiction now, either, because the robot was too much of a sissy?
I beg to differ, sir! Emotions don’t detract from science fiction, they breath life into it! Think of The Giver! Have you ever felt the pain of knowing that everyone around you is shallow when it comes to feeling? That they’ve never experienced real pain or pleasure? The feeling that you’re the only one who knows what it is to be human?
THAT is what makes Cybermen scarier than Daleks. They don’t kill you, they kill your humanity. They make you forget that you ever feared them, that you ever loved your family, that you ever hated that boy across the street, or that you hoped you would win your next track meet or get an A on your next test. Playing into that horror isn’t a lack of classic scifi, it’s a beautiful rendition of classic scifi!
If you think that scifi is about spouting technobabble and lazer wielding aliens, then you do not know scifi, and it is sad.
i’ve got a new thought to the companions thing. There is now NuWho and ClassWho. For ClassWhovians, love interests as strong and Rose/Doctor and how Martha felt towards Doctor are just weird for them. The Doctor for them is known for being more or less emotionaly detached from his companions and being able to let go. For NuWhovians they accept the idea because they don’t know or aren’t as attached to the ClassDoctors.
It’s only a though so no one take it the wrong way. Feel free to add on to it if ya want.
“you posted a list of every season 4 spoiler you could think of? Yeah, I deleted it. And we decided to moderate your input for the time being.”
Holy snap, you mean those were real?! Oh please, please, please tell me they weren’t! I mean, some of them were stupid little things like “from the future.” Those weren’t real spoilers, right?
Because I swear up and down, RD, if that one was real, I will end you (*note*not an actual threat. I’ll probably just be really freaking upset, especially if that one thing was true). Which may make me a hypocrite, but dangit, that was an accident for me. That’s just jerk-ish to do it on purpose.
“In the new series, that sort of emotional backstory is taking over the scientific alien bits, Dr. Who seems to be falling apart as a sci-fi show and turning into a sitcom.”
I think that’s more than just a little shallow. Or at least juvenile. (And inacurate, because emotions=/=sitcom. Seriously. Watch an average sitcom.) If conflict only exists on the level of “darn, these things are evil and we’d better stop them” well…you can still have an entertaining popcorn flick, but to really engage people, you’ve got to pull emotions into it (I don’t mean romance. Just, y’know, emotion). That’s what makes a good story. People need to be able to react on multiple levels. The average show that focuses only on beating the baddies without any emotional conflict in the hero or villian isn’t aimed at an audience over the age of ten.
Having villians that actually have emotion can be downright terrifying. Bad guys who have a good reason for what they’re doing? Very scary.
“For NuWhovians they accept the idea because they don’t know or aren’t as attached to the ClassDoctors.”
I think that makes sense. Me, I like my sci-fi, but it’s like alchohol. I don’t like it straight up; has to be mixed. And since the first episode I saw was “Dalek”…that’s just how I came to know the show.
It’s totally a matter of personal preference, though.
“Emotions don’t detract from science fiction, they breath life into it! ”
Quoted for truth. For some reason now, I’m remembering the short story “The Cold Equation.” Or heck, go watch some Twilight Zone. That show was amazing at evoking emotion.
Good sci-fi is almost always a comment on humanity or a question posed. Not in a prententious way. It just is.
“Bad guys who have a good reason for what they’re doing? Very scary.”
One thing I remember people talking about on a commentary track from a Jon Pertwee era story was that they always tried to give the aliens some reason for wanting to take over Earth, not just that they were evil. You won’t usually find a being who believes it is evil, and does things just for the sake of being evil. (Besides, of course, Draken. But he’s not very good at being evil, anyway.) Everyone is the hero in their own story, and always has reasons for what they are doing.
“For ClassWhovians, love interests as strong and Rose/Doctor and how Martha felt towards Doctor are just weird for them.”
I came to the series via nuwho, and have now seen a lot of classicwho, and… I dunno. One was pretty asexual, but then again, he was old. It’d be kinda creepy to see an older gentleman go for all the young ladies, especially since he took on at least one because she reminded him of his grand daughter. Two and Jamie were good friends, and their respective actors apparently both enjoyed putting as much innuendo in the shows as they could get away with. In the beginning, Three struck me as not being too attached, but he and Jo were friends. Four and Sarah Jane are ‘best friends’.
Except for Dodo, he’s never just let a companion go, there’s always been a reason. However, he’s never moped about for a full season either. I think I disliked that aspect of the last season because it never allowed his bond with Martha to grow, Rose was always standing between them, and it seemed a waste of what a cool character Martha could’ve been. We saw at the end of the season that she was strong and independant, and capable of surmounting any obstacle to carry out a plan and save the world. What if she had’ve shown those qualities from the third episode of the season?
(And, by the way Rich, great comic. XD Not to let the who-discussion take away from the entire point of this page.)
“They don’t kill you, they kill your humanity.”
And turnip? Brrrrrr. That’s a chilling way to describe what the Cybermen do to a person.
Ciao Rich!
I write from Italy, where I’m the owner of a small on-line community of Doctor Who Italian fans. We have a website and a Mailing List.
First of all… Bravo! Your comic is fantastic and the depiction of the different Doctor’s incarnation is great!
Doctor Who is not a big phenomenon in Italy. Of the “classical” series we only watched 7 episodes with Tom Baker and six William Hartnell stories have been released on DVD in 2007. The new series are being broadcast on satellite TV, and we still have to watch “The Runaway Bride” and the following season.
In any case, there is a small fandom who had been “in touch” with Doctor Who throughout the years and we are trying to help other “new” fans to be acquainted with the whole Doctor Who history.
Your comic is impressively perfect for this purpose, and I’m here to ask your permission to translate it and repost it on our website so that all Italian fans can enjoy and learn!
May I have your permission? I will, naturally, indicate your link.
Thank you for your kind answer. All the best!
Gabriella
Happy Day! This comic is still absolutely brilliant!!!
Turnip: Great description of the Cybermen. It is why they are the scariest set of enimies in the series in my opinion!
Anyways: Great Job Rich!!!! Keep it up!
It’s okay, Laura. I’m not mad at you or anything. I understand it’s an easy trap to fall into, to assume that dedicated Whovians (see, I even use the new term for Dr Who fans these days
) check out the BBC website every day. I don’t, for the simple reason that they do give away stuff for upcoming seasons, and I like to have that visceral reaction to discovering events as they happen on the screen. I know for those who live in the UK it’s almost impossible to avoid, since they plaster everything up on billboards, but thankfully here in the US Doctor Who isn’t the same sort of phenomenon so I can insulate myself pretty well. My husband understands this, and shielded me from knowledge of who was playing the role of John Hart in Torchwood, so that I got to have that “sqweeeeeee!” moment when I first saw him.
Rob, we’re mostly just killing time between comics – none of us are ‘bickering’, I feel. It’s more like a reasoned exchange of views. I’m certainly not out to knock the Rose/Doctor ’shippers – and I agree that Rose definitely had plenty of good moments. In the same vein, I’m sure the Rose supporters aren’t out to change the views of those of us who lean more towards Martha, but are also merely stating the reasons for their opinions.
And I have to agree wholeheartedly with wulfae and Turnip regarding the Cybermen. One of my earliest memories is of a nightmare I had when I was about 4 years old, where Troughton-era Cybermen were chasing me around the backyard. Even given the effect they had on me at 4, I find that the new Cybermen are by far the most creepy and chilling version of them ever created. It’s not just that they’re virtually unstoppable killing machines with nothing on their minds but total eradication or conversion of all other lifeforms (gee, I wonder where Trek got the idea for Borg
), but it’s the realisation of what that policy means for the beings who encounter them. Sure, we’ve seen Cybermen begin the process of converting people before – most notably Vaughn in The Invasion – but never before with such emotional impact.
The best drama of any genre must incorporate an element of real human emotion if it’s to make a lasting impression. Science ficiton in particular has evolved from a rather dry style to something that’s far more meaningful in terms of how we react to it. For instance, I love Asimov dearly – he was the first SF author I really sank my teeth into – but while his plots were brilliant and always thought-provoking, they didn’t often contain that visceral element. He himself admitted that characterisation was his weak area, and hence he avoided it to a large extent. If he were starting out these days, I’m not sure he’d be the giant he was. Contrast his style to someone like C J Cherryh. Cherryh’s plots are no less brilliant, and her characters feel far more alive than even such wonderful figures as Susan Calvin. We knew what Calvin did, but we never really learned who she was. Not only do we know what Bren Cameron does, we know a great deal about who he is and what makes him tick.
I’m afraid I’ve digressed rather a lot here, but I figure it gives Rich something to do while he’s sketching out the next panel.
FANTASTIC!!!!!
Cap’n Shade: Hehehe, I don’t know if I’d call her HOT exactly… but she’s platonic and that takes out the whole awkward element, so she can stay! Yay!
Wulfae & Turnip: Yeah, the Cybermen are a great concept that hasn’t been properly realized until the new series. The concept hasn’t chaged at all… it’s just that they’ve finally shown us the horrific aspect of it rather than the men-in-silver-suits. We’ve seen a few cyberman transformation sequences, actually. Notably later in the (lame) 6th Doctor episode, “Attack of the Cybermen.” It had no emotional impact. ***CLASSIC SERIES SPOILER WARNING****Even the set up for Lytton’s death with the Doctor getting all remorseful was somehow antiseptic. /END SPOILERFinally seeing the human/dehumanizing element in the new episodes really made them come of age. Interestingly, we DO get that visceral horror in the classic series not with the Cybermen, but with the Daleks. In the (also mostly lame) 6th Doctor episode “Revelation of the Daleks” ****CLASSIC SERIES SPOILER WARNING*** Davros is converting humans into Daleks and a resistance fighter finds her father, now just a mutated head in a class Dalek casing, struggling with his conditioning and begging her to kill himin one breath and SHOUTING ABOUT DALEK SUPREMACY in the next. A scene worthy of the Alien films! /END SPOILER.
Lennie: It’s more than just the new romantic complexes being ‘wierd’ to us. Those of us who have watched the classic series, whether before the new ones, or catching up now, will notice that it is a new element of the Doctor that is out of character. Having grown up with old 60’s-80’s sf shows, I noticed that unlike Battlestar Galactica, Buck Rogers, Space:1999 (season 2), and especially classic Star Trek, there’s a whole soap opera element of characters looking dreamily at eachother or smooching to swells in the music. Doctor Who did away with all that and used that spare screentime for more story. If I wanted to watch two people lock lips for fifteen minutes out of an hour, I could watch… wel frankly ANYTHING ELSE. (I specify Space:1999 season 2 because season 1 also didn’t focus much on crappy romance. There was the hint of it, but they were much more seriously focused on the creepy horrors of outer space.)
Laura: Not the ones posted by the other Rich. Those were jokes. They were accidently deleted (sorry!). Hopefully you didn’t see RD’s post.
Wulfae: Heheh, don’t worry! I’m being slow with the comic, you entertain eachother (and me)
Gabriella: Thank you! Yes, please, go ahead and translate for your fellow Italian Whovians! Just two stipulations, I want credit for the writing and art and please link back to the originals. Otherwise, spread the love!
KittiKat: Thanks!
Heather: No please, go ahead. I like to hear what you have to say.
Nicolajo666: YAY! Thanks!
Rich…I can’t help it. I have a weakness for redheads.
Heather…These days, nothing. LOL. Whovian has been the term I’ve heard since I found out I wasn’t the only American fan, back in the early 80’s. And from what I understood, at the time, it was used long before that too.
Rich…oookay. I think the Horrible Thing I saw was one of the joke posts…can’t remember, but I’m gonna pretend. Man, it’s just like last season, when I stumbled on fanart of some actor as Doctor 11, and until the tail end of LotTL, I was certain it was gonna happen. Gullible blonde…
I agree with you, Heather. I will go so far out of my way to avoid spoilers, usually. I was just a bad monkey this time around. And I’m digging on the classic scifi discussion.
Was there a term other than Whovian? I’ve heard Wholigan tossed around, but my friend is a Who maniac (the band), and she will fight to the death for that title (or, more likely, look at you and go “No, that’s ours, I think.”)
Maybe Whovian is a purely American term, then, if it’s been around so long. I’ve only lived in America for the past 4 3/4 years and have only heard the word since living here, and since the new series started. It’s certainly not a term I ever heard used in Australia. I think “Dr Who fan” was about it.
And to a certain extent, yes, having grown up with Dr Who I found the romance angle to be a little strange at first. It was one of my big gripes about the 1996 movie initially, but on later reflection I realised it was just a symptom of the deeper problems with that venture – but that’s a whole topic of discussion all by itself.
Personally, I don’t mind having a bit of an indication that the Doctor has deeper emotions. One of my favourite episodes is still Girl in the Fireplace. Romance with his actual companions, however, needs to be treated carefully by the writers lest it turn into a soap-opera. I trust RTD and his team to keep it on track, though. I suspect one of the reasons they let the Rose/Doctor romance build up so much towards the end of Season 2 was because they knew Billie Piper was leaving, so they could write Rose as becoming completely unobtainable. Heck, I still cry buckets every time I watch Doomsday.
I think “Whovian” was an American term coined in reaction to “Trekkie” & “Trekker”. I, at least, had heard and used the word back in the 80’s.
Heather: The Doctor can have deep emotions without mooning over a human child. That’s just kinda sick. If the Doctor was going to have a romance I could understand and get behind it should be someone more his equal. A Time Lord or other long lived and/or highly intelligent race. Not a baby ape.
After my initial resistance to the concept, I don’t really mind the Doctor having romantic thoughts even about baby apes.
I just wasn’t thrilled with Rose as a choice there. But to be honest, I think he’s loved almost all of his companions really. It’s not necessarily been in a sexual or even romantic way, but he’s always had a special fondness for the human species and nearly all of his companions have touched him deeply on a personal level. The Classic Doctor was just never terribly good at expressing it, though. And a large part of me hopes that the next few companions return to the platonic sort of relationship the Doctor’s usually had … but if he happens to be enamoured with some incidental character on the way, that’s okay too.
Oh, I agree entirely! He’s VERY fond of humanity! He states it in the classic series again and again!
“It’s very much my favorite planet!” -2nd Doctor
“Sometimes I wonder why I like you Humans so much.” -5th Doctor
“Homo Sapiens!… They’re indomitable! INDOMITABLE!” -4th Doctor
“Earth?… It’s my second home.” -3rd Doctor
“I love humans! Always finding patterns in things that aren’t there.” -8th Doctor
And how many times have the villains caught the various Doctors out for surrendering whenever the companions are directly threatened? Countless. And various Doctors giving affectionate little pats, hand rubs, nose tweaks, winks, warm hugs, etc etc. Zillions of little examples of expressions of endearment. Not until the 8th Doctor’s odd kiss, the 9th Doctor’s hints and the 10th Doctors not nearly so subtle hints have we had an impression that there was a mating/sexual angle to his affection for companions. It takes the innocence out of him and I don’t like that. As scary and weird as the 6th Doctor got… as devious and menacing as the 7th Doctor got, as overbearing as the 4th Doctor got… none of them were ‘creepy’. The new Doctors are getting close to it.
I find.
See, if we apply the same angle to other Time Lords… say the Master. As non-sexual creatures, the Master is scary because he might have you killed for getting in his way or being no longer useful, take over your mind to make you help him in his plan, or many other things, there was never a fear of being raped by him. Adds an uncomfortable layer to a villain that makes him less fun and more …unpleasant. And not in a good TV villainy way.
Thing is, all the Doctors have their own sort of story style which is really hard to describe, you can also see a difference in the brightness and quality of the picture.
Which is why I found it so weird that he was /married./ I mean…I know he was playing the part of a nice little human politician with a nice human politician wife, but…the Master? Married to a human? And he actually seemed to tolerate her…mostly sorta kinda. And since there’s a fair amount of people who believe the theory that his death was preplanned between them…hmm. That’d be putting a lot of faith and credit in a human, for the Master.
Then again, he was more insane in that regeneration than he was previously. If that’s possible. Who knows what was running through his head…?
Huh. I do wonder whatever happened to Lucy.
Er, that’s not a spoiler, right? I /am/ sorry about before, I just thought it was all right since I only mentioned stuff I’ve read on Wikipedia and the BBC website. =/ I’ll try to be more cautious about that.
Angus: Yeah, true. Though I’m not sure exactly what you’re trying to say.
Turnip: I always just assumed it was a ‘publicity stunt’ to humanize him and make him more likeable in the community. Part of an elaborate plan. Once he got the position he wanted, he didn’t need to worry about being quite so charming and charismatic anymore. She had more or less outlived her usefulness and was more decoration then anything else.
But he was already hypnotizing people into voting for him. Why bother having actual credibility when you can just warp minds?
Eh, it doesn’t matter, really. It’s just…odd.
I think the way I view the Doctor, even the Classic Doctor, having relationships beyond friendship is more along the lines of “romantic but not sexual.” And as much as I really do love the romance, I agree that adding the sexual aspect to it gets…weird. But I think there’s something a bit innocent and fun about a chaste sort of romance, and it happens all to seldom in most shows (aside from Nine/Rose, the only example springing to mind is Ned and Chuck in Pushing Daisies). I’m not as familiar with Classic, but I know plenty of fans who started out, and see romantic hints between the Doctor and previous companions. Certainly not to the same extent as the New series, though. (And I seem to recall reading that a certain Doctor and companion delibrately put in as much of that subtext between their characters as they could, but it falls into the category of “And We Know That’s True Because We Read It On the Internet” so… *shrug*.) I don’t know, it’s just not that hard for me to imagine the Doctor being romantic without him being sexual. Woman’s prerogative?
Which will lead me to agree that yes, Ten is pretty creepy. I still like him, but I think he’s terrifying, and, in his own way, more unlikeable than Six. Like I’ve said (here? Man, now I can’t remember), Six’s bluster and arrogance was all right there on the surface–you knew what you were going to get, and under it, he was a very compassionate and caring man. Ten… on the surface, when you first meet him, he’s charming and bouncy and a little bit dorky and seemingly very likeable, but underneath that is all the darkness. Like, he still has all of Nine’s problems, but he ignores them. And while David Tennant in pinstripes is a very sexy animal althogether, the sexy aspect of him is getting more than a bit played up, and that’s a bit creepy too.
For the Master…I guess they were just trying to make him less classic camp, and more “modern.” Or something. I kind of liked the thing with Lucy, just because I thought it was such a darker parallel of the Doctor’s relationships with his own companions. I got shivers when the Master called her “my faithful Companion.” I’m in the either/or camp about her involvement and the extent of planning that went into it. I’ve seen some good theories on it. It just falls apart because from what I’ve seen of Classic!Master, he seems way too arrogant to have a Plan B.
As to why the Master would need credibility…it never hurts. The Tenth Doctor said you can’t hypnotize someone to death and all that. So if he’s basically doing a massive suggestive-hypnosis thing, it wouldn’t hurt to have a bit of reality giving it a push.
“Oh, I agree entirely! He’s VERY fond of humanity! He states it in the classic series again and again!”
Y’know, tangent from the previous topic, but on another board, someone made me realize (what I’m sure you lot already know) that it probably largely comes from his experience with one companion–Jamie. I mean, he was fond of Ian and Barbra, but I think it was Jamie, with his courage and incredible loyalty and love and all that that probably showed the Doctor some of the best in humanity and sowed the seed for that love. Yet another reason to love Jamie.
It’s not news, it’s just something I think is kinda cool.
Hi Rich this is Jay once again.
I have been working on own ideas for my Doctor who comic strip.
So far this is what i have done after three or four days i have kind of put some of the ideas together.
Kind of using some of your pages printed out which our very good for what i would like to do as well.
I did oome up with the idea of putting it on what is called tracing paper which used to be used when i was a kid to trace pictures on to very thin tracing paper which is transparent it does work in the printer as well so i have copied the trace of a few pages on this tracing paper which
does give me kind of an idea as to where to go next.
Being as my email is still jammed up and i can not send you the email i will put it on here.
Here is where i want to go next i would like to use this fan fiction video Doctor from the 80’s and add here into my new story about the ten doctors plus one she is the doctor somewhere between the sixth and seventh doctors back then.
This other fan back then got this actres to play the part of the doctor in a fan video back then her name was Barbara Benedetti she played the part in these fan videos four ep’s so i would like to put here in my own story line is it possible for you to draw a one off picture of your Doctors and to put here into one of your drawings.
this wou;d help a great deal.
The links to find here picture are at Barbara Benedetti Doctor Who and another site called walking in Eternity which can be found on google search I am not sure if you would need permission from this other fan to use this other Doctor Barbarba Benedetii she was and is perhaps the only real female doctor who even if she was unoffcail doctor who she did make it onto video for four ep’s.
The man to contact for this is called Ryan K-Johnson-and he has a web site as well which is to sell the dvd’s today so i would like to use his doctor as the female doctor and put her into my own story f and when at all possible this is where i would really like to go with my own ideas.
Please do let me know if you might be able to help along these lines i would really like to get another Ten Doctors story going with this feamale doctor included.
I have the story line but can not draw the characters so would need help with this.
Please look up the Barbara Benedetti pictures and let me know if and when i can put this togehter somehow this woudl be fantastic if and when iw would be at all possible.i would certainly hope so.
Jay!
Rich I hope it is alright to print out your pages on my own computer paper for ideas on how to proceed with my own ideas. that is really i have ever done is print them out on my printer to give me the ideas on how to proceed is this alright with you so far.
I would need much help to really get going with the drawing and story.
Again all help is greatly appericated.
Jay!
Rich, hello!
Did you get my e-mail about the Bond stuff? And about the possibility of including a ‘teaser’ for your Ten Doctors comic as an Extra on OFFSTAGE’s forthcoming DVD of our ‘Ten Doctors’ comedy stage show from Gallifrey 2007?
If not, happy to send again!
Best wishes,
BARNABY
Turnip: Hmm…You’re right. Gah, I dunno.
Laura: Yes. Agreed. The 10th Doctor is kinda creepy. But also fun.
Jay: Um. I have a problem with this whole thing. I mean, I like to encourage my fellow artist and all that, but you’re tracing my artwork for your comic? That’s not cool. I can’t stop you from printing out my pages, there are other readers doing so to enjoy the comic at their leisure, but you really shouldn’t be using my drawings to create a new comic. Certainly without asking my permission, and if you are asking my permission, I don’t give it. I can’t stop you from trying to learn from my work, if tracing off some stuff helps. But I will not draw new characters and panels for you to trace off and call your own. The only help I will give you is advice, which I’m still willing to do. But I’d better not start seeing my drawings, or tracings of my drawings, in a NEW “10 Doctors” comic anywhere. You presume too much and have gone beyond the boundaries of etiquette.
The Offstager: I didn’t! Sounds like a hoot! Please resend! I’ve been doing some Bond research (and listening to my Bond soundtracks on the way to work), glad to hear from you again.
Ten IS creepy. Family of Blood? Was I the only one shivering at the end? He was so…scary. I mean, I understand the “no second chances” thing, but that was punishment that Dante would have been proud of – harsh AND metaphorical! I almost felt sorry for the Family…
Seriously, that scene sent chills down my spine. It’s like…he has all of the darkness that Nine did, I agree with you there, Laura, but it’s more…refined. Polished. He can control it most of the time, and let it out other times, focused and intense. Which is extremely frightening.
Plus, I think he has creepy eyes. o_o
On the Doctor and Rose relationship I have always felt it was left purposefully ambiguous, if you wanted romance you could have if not they just had a very close friendship. Even at the end of Doomsday when the Doctor was going to declare his love he ran out of time and the wormhole shut, a Timelord running out of time, does that sound likely?
My take has always been that when the Doctor meets Rose he is suffering from a huge amount of survivors guilt, he basically wants to die, his plans often seem to involve suicdal risks or he end up caught and having to rely on someone else to the saving, Rose, or with Charles Dickens aginst the Gelf, the reporter in the long game, his plan in World War 3 is to have Mickey blow himself and the other up in Downing Street and in Parting of the Ways he plans to kill himself and the earth to defeat the Daleks. Rose though basically is the first person he cares about since the destruction of Galifrey, gives him a reason to carry on makes life worth living again and see the wonder of the universe again. That’s why she is important to him she brought him back from the depair he was wallowing in. When he loses her he worries might slip back into depair and also he has lost someone very dear to him as well.
Of course if you want a romance the story leaves plenty of room for that as well.
Yeah alright Rich i would not really do that.
copy from your comic strip.
That is not my intention at all.
I really like your strip and i know it is your’s..
I really do not want to copy form you like that.
But what i do want to do is to start a whole new strip of my own.
I want to use the concept of the Ten doctors like what you are doing but with my own story line this is hat i really do wish to do not copy directly from you at all but to begin a whole new story with the Ten Doctors plus this other female doctor would be included in my own story.
It is fine that you do not want to draw any comics panels or strips for others.
But you see what i was trying to do was to print out some of your panels form your strip to get and idea what i would need to do to begin my won comic strip.
I do really respect your strip as your own but i would like to do a whole new strip with the ten doctors plus thsi other Female doctor which is not in your strip at all.
so this is what i am aming to do.
And i woudl just like to add that what i really do like is the whole concept of the ten doctors in one story line to me using all of the Doctors in one story is the very best kind of Doctor who story.
That is why i wourl really like to do one of my own not to copy yours in that fashion but just to print out the pages to give me an idea of what i woudl need to do to get a new strip going this is what i do aim to do.
if there is still a kind of misunderstanding i do apoligize.
It is not my intention to copy your strip at all but to do a whole new one but with all of the Doctor’s in it i do hope that that might be alright.
Is this alright with you.
Please do understand that i never did just want to use your strip any nay way except to just print out the page for reference you see if and when that is still alright.
Yeah i can really understand this and do not want to mkae nay one upset or mad thinking that i might rip something off for my own personal use form an oringinal strip.
I think it might be quite alright to do a whole new comic strip with the ten doctors plus one more added this is what i am wanting to do.
So if and when that just might be alright that is where i do want to go.
i do hope that this would be alright just as well.
Please do not get upset or mad thinking that i am going to use your strip for my own.
I would not do this i want to do my own original comic strip not copy directly from someone else that would just be not good whatsoever one wants to do his or her own original work not rip someone esle off.
So i so hope that this might clear that up alright.
Please do let me know on this whole new idea.
But i also do want to add that your strip is so very good and that this is what is inspirering me to want to do a whole new strip of my own.
Thank’s Jay!
Jay: Have you thought of looking for someone that lives near you who can draw, to help with your comic? You could write the story, and the other person could draw the pictures.
Just an idea.
Good luck with your endeavours.
Regarding the Master and Lucy: We already know from the old series that the Master’s hypnosis doesn’t work on everyone and given that he’s attempting worldwide hypnosis, anything that helps with his credibility can’t hurt. You’ll notice that once the Toclafane have arrived and they’ve spent that year on the Valiant – and the Master really doens’t need Lucy any longer for show purposes – he’s obviously been abusing her. They didn’t dwell on it, but you can clearly see the marks and bruises on her face, not to mention the look she gives him when he first comes in on the last episode (though I believe the American version cut out that song – such a shame if they did, but I saw the UK version and it was brilliant). It’s clear from that look alone that she hates him – if it’s acting on her part, then she’s damn good at it.
Yes i have done this already since i laready thought of this.
You see i what i would like to do is to draw a whole new story with the ten doctors plus this female doctor which is not in Rich’s strip i have not given up trying to find outside help along theses endevors of finding someone who cna draw for me.
Using my own new original comic strip story.
Thsi is what i do want to do not copy or rip anyone elses ideas.
Jay!
A female Doctor, maybe you should dee the end of Dr. Who and The Curse Of Fatal Death, that had the Doctor regenerating into a woman.
I agree with hmc about the Rose/Doctor relationship. Nine needed to be rescued from his grief, and Rose was the first person he must have thought would make a good companion, and she was worth sacrificing for when he regenerated into Ten.
I suppose that means Peri was worth Five dying for, then. Caves of Androzani always makes me sad.
In regards to the destruction of Gallifrey… It seems to me just another way of trying to inject a little more mystery and drama into the Doctor. I mean all the stuff we take for granted now was doled out in tiny little pieces… We didn’t know the Doctor was a Time Lord until the end of season six, we didn’t know the name of the Doctor’s home planet until the Third Doctor’s era.. etc. Even by the time we were on the Seventh Doctor the production team felt that fans had gotten a little too cozy with the Doctor — we seemed to know all about him, all about Gallifrey and, despite the Doctor’s occasional disparaging comments about Gallifrey, we knew he would always go back and help out when there was real trouble.
By destroying Gallifrey RTD has created a reversal situation. Always before the Doctor pushed away from his own people. He did his best to avoid Gallifrey and the other Time Lords and he took great delight in defining himself as being the opposite of his society. Now, suddenly, the Time Lords are gone and he cannot define himself by being against something that no longer exists. He has nothing to push away from, nothing to rebel against because all of that is gone. More importantly, there is that simple fact of that lovely trick of the mind/heart that, whenever someone tells you you can’t do something it immediately becomes the thing you most want to do. Now that the Doctor can never go home again he finds that it is the one thing he would love to do.
As for companions… I agree that the Doctor has always had strong feelings for all the people he travels with — they are just different feelings that were not necessarily romantic. If you watch the First Doctor with Vicki he is very grandfatherly towards her — almost more so than he even was with Susan. The First also, I think, started to see Ian as a kind of “Partner in Crime” — the one who shared some of his curiosity and so could almost always be talked into going exploring. Jamie was like the son the Doctor never had (or had and then lost since I don’t think its been established in canon if Susan was the product of the Doctor’s daughter or the Doctor’s son) and the Doctor’s realtionship with Adric was more big brotherly.
Of course, all of that is the way I see it — your actual mileage may vary.
I agree, though, that considering the Doctor IS a 900 to 1000 year-old Time Lord if he DID get romantic with a human I think I’d like to see it be a mature woman. Pop culture already celebrates youth and beauty way too much and I think it would be nice to see the Doctor become attracted to a woman even in her 50’s or 60’s — just to show people that there are all kinds of beauty and age can be one of them.
I thought the Peri saga was really good. Toward the end of Davison’s tenure the companion writing was the best it had ever been. It has often been said that Turlough was “underused”, but I liked the fact that things were always complicated with him – too much more Turlough and they would never have been able to keep up that quality.
With Peri it was interesting that the Doctor had only recently met her, yet was willing to die a painful and possibly permanent death for her … but then a few minutes later once he’d regenerated the dynamic changed enormously. Brilliant stuff. Terribly, terribly flawed in its execution but brilliant none-the-less.
Was Peri worth the Fifth Doctor dying for? Well I guess he would have said that ANY human would have been worth it, but I reckon those bikinis, leotards and half-unbuttoned blouses didn’t damage the argument…
Kevin Says:
March 10th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
I have to say Rich, this is a great comic and you’re doing an excellent job in depicting all ten of the Doctors. You have some neat interplay between the Bakers, especially the self-loathing line, and considering what we’ve seen of the 4th and 6th Doctors onscreen, it’s very believable. I have one comment on one of the comments made on the story’s introduction, someone said all ten regenerations of the Doctor and that’s not exactly accurate. Whoever wrote that made the common mistake of thinking that regeneration number=incarnation number and that’s very true as Doctors 2-10 are the Doctor’s nine regenerations and Doctor 1 is the beginning incarnation, the original as stated in “The Five Doctors” despite what some may believe about “The Brain of Morbious”. Also from “The Five Doctors”, in the dialogue between the 1st and 5th Doctors, the latter states “4th Regeneration” which is pretty definitive in my view and given the 13 lives rule, the Doctor would’ve been dead for real at the end of “Caves of Androzani”. Regarding the issue of romance between the Doctor and companions, I frankly do not like or care for it and don’t understand the obsession that RTD & Company have for pushing it in Current Doctor Who regardless the age of the two actors playing the Doctor. A romance I find credible and believable between the 4th Doctor and Romana as they were of the same species, especially as this was mirrored in real life. On the other hand, Sarah Jane Smith’s attitude towards the Doctor in ”School Reunion” and the notion that she and the Doctor had some romantic relationship insinuated by RTD and Company I disagree with as I see nothing in the stories to justify or sustain it. While 1st Doctor may have seemed asexual because physically he was an old man, in “The Aztecs” he did have that romance with Cameca, then he had to have done it with some woman for Susan to come about, and he could be rather tender towards female companions such as Barbara. As for Jay’s idea of a female Doctor, I find it rather reprehensible and as such, it is making the character into something he isn’t. Sure, you have female Doctors in “Curse of the Fatal Death” and a couple of Big Finish Unbounds, but that doesn’t count as canon. There is nothing really in Doctor Who canon that justifies the idea and sure you have Romana’s transformations before becoming Romana II, but that still doesn’t make such a radical idea acceptable. I can believe regeneration possibly involving changing skin color, but not gender and I haven’t seen that much onscreen to make me think that. There’s no reason to think the Doctor can be so unique that he can change gender in a regeneration when no other Time Lord has really been seen to to do that and I would not want to see that done in Current Doctor Who. I highly doubt the 1st Doctor would be pleased to find out about a female Doctor and if Jay wants to have a female Time Lord so bad, he should use an actual one such as Susan, Romana, the Rani, or create a totally new one instead of corrupting the Doctor into something he isn’t. Rather interesting that the 1st Doctor here is pre-”An Unearthly Child” and so his initial reaction to his successors makes sense as for him, the events of “The Three Doctors” and “The Five Doctors” haven’t happened yet in addition to his views towards human companions. About the Cybermen, I wasn’t overly impressed with their appearance in the New Series and in fact, I rather hated it as I viewed those Cybermen as imposters. I felt that the design was much closer to the look of the robot in Fritz Lang’s “Metropolis” than what we saw of the Cybermen in the original series and I hated that stupid C’s on their chests. The creator of these impostors, John Lumic, seemed to be a blatant ripoff of Davros, more so than Max Capricorn and I would prefer not to see those alternate Cyberman in this comic. Another thing I didn’t like about them was the only organic element they had was the brain and so the Cyberwoman in Torchwood was much closer to the Classic Cybermen as they were more organic. Also, I liked the origin of the Cybermen in the classic series much more than what we got in the current series and I liked the straight survival motif that we got with the Mondasian-based Cybermen much better than the outright conquest motif given with the alternate reality Cybermen. I admit, the Cybermen in Classic Doctor Who did have their faults, but I find them more likable and interesting than the imposters we got in Current Doctor Who. Hopefully, when we see the Cybermen in the current series, it’ll be more along the lines of the Mondasian-based ones instead of those alternate reality imposters and this might happen with some changeover in the production staff such as RTD leaving to do other things. Though I don’t know much about the War Chief, it was neat to see him next to the Master and I much rather think of those two being seperate than being connected as some people want to think. That’s one thing I like about this comic, bringing together characters that are relatively recent, such as the Rani and Melanie Bush and those going all the way back to the 60’s, such the Celestial Toymaker and the Meddling Monk. Regardless of the audio material with Romana II in it, I hope she manages to survive those injuries caused by the Cybermen and I hope Commander Maxil is just knocked out as it would be rather cool for him and the 6th Doctor to run into eachother. The crossover in this comic between the Cybermen and Daleks was more satisfying as the former was the real deal and the later was not so invulnerable. It should be rather interesting when the 1st Doctor, along with the 10th Doctor, finally link up with the 8th Doctor on Gallifrey as it might be rather unsettling for him as it would totally confirm his fears that something is wrong for his past and future to be brought together in front of his eyes. Wish you further success on this excellent comic and hope to see more pages on this comic pretty soon.
Kevin Says:
March 10th, 2008 at 6:57 pm
Hey, Rich is there some way the first copy of my message because I noticed a misspelled word after I submitted it and then when I to tried to correct it, it was replicated with the correct spelling.
So I was hoping that the misspelled form of “together” would be replaced with the correct form and so I was hoping that something in erasing the first copy of my message to free up some space.
Woah. Block o’ text…
“I think it would be nice to see the Doctor become attracted to a woman even in her 50’s or 60’s”
*cough*Evelyn Smythe and the Sixth Doctor *cough*
Man, wish they were official canon, because honestly, that’s my favorite Doctor/Companion relationship, and certainly the one that best illustrates the idea of “romantic but not sexual.” They’ve got a bit of that married couple vibe, giving and taking so perfectly, and I think her maturity is just a perfect match for the Doctor, especially that particular Doctor, who could so easily turn into the Amazing 600+year-old Toddler…
Now just a minute here this is all rubbish the Doctor can do just about anything he or she really does want to do.
And he can go back to gallifrey because it still exsists in the past just as Kypton does for Superman Supe can see it by looking through his unquiqe Telescopes t in his Fortress of Solitude which he used to do a lot of.
And so with the doctor he can go back to Gallifrey by going back in time when he still does exsists.
And anyway to think that he is the pnly real time lord left is just nuts do you really belive that others of the time lords did not escape from Gallifrey befroe it was destroyed come on that did not happen like that others must have gotten away before it was destroyed.
And if naything else the Doctor certanly can seek out other things to as you say rebel agaiest if that is a way that he oer she would want to continue to go.
As for relationships with his human female companions or anyone else he just might choose to really care for that would really be up to him or here as the case maybe but if it is a male doctor i would like to see him have a real relationship with someone like Zoey to me she was kind of cut and was very intelligent as well.
So yeah i would really like to see that kind of relationship if it was a female doctor yeah he might go for one of the male companions for this just as well.
And once again all this continued nonsense of and about being canon you are not really listening the Doctor is not nor has he ever been canon he she is who he she is and is way beyond even the BBc’s control of him her.
I am getting real tired of this canon nonsense.
So stop all of that already lest i use my sonic screw driver and reverse your own personal nutron flow Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha evil sided Doctor who laughter inserted here!
Jay!
Kevin, maybe some paragraphs next time? I had difficulty getting through that…
One thing that you said that struck me as odd was that you didn’t care for the new cybermen, since they weren’t as ‘likeable’ as the originals. Were the cybermen every supposed to be likeable?
Being of the female gender, I can understand why people would want the Doctor to regenerate into a woman. However… Besides the ‘it would be cool!’ reason, I can’t think of any justification.
I have to say, seeing Joanna Lumley as the Doctor in The Curse of Fatal Death was wonderful – but it’s also something I don’t think I’d fancy seeing on the actual TV show. While I can think of many wonderful British actresses who’d do a marvellous job as the Doctor, when it all comes down to it there’s a distinct impression that Time Lords maintain their own gender throughout their regenerations. That’s not to say that a one-off show like Fatal Death, or a comic, or some other form of Doctor Who spoof/homage couldn’t toy with the concept of the Doctor regenerating into a woman, but I woudn’t want to see it done officially.
And I have to say, while a lot of things have changed between the old series and the new, and while not everybody is happy with all the new ways of doing things, personally I’m just thrilled to bits that I get to see new Doctor Who being made. It’s something I’ve grown up with; my earliest TV memories are of Dr Who, and I love being able to have the chance to continue to sit down each week for a new adventure with the Doctor. May he live forever.
I find the Doctor/romantic interest angle kind of creepy from, and I have no reservations about admitting this, a self-insertion angle.
Because 99% of all women in most media are The Designated Love Interest, it’s an incredible breath of fresh air when women enter as a platonic main/side character in a series. For me, that’s one of the many appeals of the earlier Doctor Who series.
“Hey, kid,” the show says to me! “Want to meet some supersmart guy and go drifting around time and space with him?”
“Well . . .”
“WITHOUT subtext insisting that the two of you shack up, or even have a drama-episode about what romantic feelings you do or don’t have for one another?”
“Hell yes!”
And then the new series goes and shatters that. I just want to see the universe, dammit!
Incidentally that’s one of the things I like about the Delgado Master, as well. He’s incredibly smarmy and will kill you if you get in his way, but he’ll obligingly explain the situation to you as he does, and call you ‘Miss!’
There are many, many little things about the new series that push it in the wrong direction for me. It’s a little heartbreaking.
Anyway! I cheerfully await the next installment of 10 Doctors! The inclusion of the Celestial Toymaker makes me so happy! Probably the only thing that would make me happier is a cameo of a Peladon monster, like the late Agador! He was one of my favorite suit monsters . . .
I am getting real tired of this canon nonsense.
Jay, I have no idea what you’re saying half the time, but this much I think I got–you think the Doctor can just go back in time to a place where Gallifrey exists. From what I gather (and I could so easily be wrong), Time Lord’s personal time is relative to Gallifrey and each other. In other words, if the Doctor encountered another Time Lord, and then met that same Time Lord fifteen years later, it would be fifteen years for both of them. Or something like that. Wibbley wobbly timey wimey stuff.
Obviously, the Doctor has met himself before and gone back and doubled up on his own time line a few times. But it’s not the norm, and it’s potentially dangerous, and him going back to Gallifrey would probably unleash a world of bad times.
Yeah!
Well th doctor can go backward in time as he has so countlessly demonstrated many times so there is nothing preventing him or her going backward in time to when Gallifrey is still there in it’s place before it was destroyed in this time war stuff.
like naything nad most everything what is in the past still exsits perhaps on an alternate dimension and or parellel time but it is still there and since the doctor can go backward in time and space etc he can go back to when Ga;llifrey occppys the time space dimensions that it alwasy did in it’s own past.
The Doctor does have some controls over what he or she would really want to do.
Thus he can go backwards in time to when gallifrey is still a very real place he can control this because he does have these powers then he can do this.
Withoutany serious problems to himself and or any other time space problems the tardis itself has the corrdients to where gallifrey is the tardis is it’s own entity it is kind of alive and can function on it’s own with out the Doctor.
Anyway!
Jay!
Why is there a bunch of blank spaces?
What i mean by this is that the Doctor is not canon he is not controled by the BBC and or any other earthly terrestrial Rules he is an alien from another world and from this world he has his powers which are far beyond anything on earth.
That is one of the very major appeal of the whole program.
Please check out these sites that i have found and know of this will show the Doctor in female incarnation.
He was in these fan vidios female timelord or time lady as it would pleas him to be.
Barbara Benedetti doctor who walking in eternity which shows him in his female regeneration.
So he has been female and can be so Just as perhaps a time lady can be a time lord.
After all Romana once regenerarted into her own form and kind of got to choose how she wanted to look so she might have choosen to be male just as well.
I think the Time lords do have this capability.
Those are two different sites on google search.
Jay!
What blank spaces are those!?
Jay!
Jay,
I respect your views, but feel I need to remind you that it’s only a TV show – therefore it IS controlled by the BBC. What they say is what becomes canon not vice-versa! You may not like the whole ‘canon’ thing, but I’m afraid that is the reality of the situation!
Rich, still loving your comic!
Will we be returning to Earth soon – perhaps an appearance from UNIT?
I thought one of the hooks of the Time War was that Gallifrey was not just destroyed but erased from history — as in never existed ever — so the Doctor could not go back in time and fix it nor could he go back in time and visit it. Essentially it makes the Doctor a walking, talking time anomaly. Those “higher beings” who are time sensitive could remember BOTH versions of history.
Kind of like in the movie “Frequency” where Jim Caviezel’s character starts changing his own timeline. After the first change his father lives but he still remembers the original timeline where his father died. So there are people who remember a timeline where Gallifrey existed but they also know the current timeline where it never did.
I think. Froget the “wibbley wobbely” stuff if you think about it too much you head will a’splode. Sometimes you just gotta go with the flow. : >
I don’t think what you found is actually canon, Jay. The Doctor hasn’t been a woman in the BBC stuff. I agree with Heather that as a one-off, it would be interesting to see the Doctor as a woman, but as for official BBC stuff, I think it would tear the fandom in two.
While the Doctor himself is not controlled by anyone, the show is controlled by the BBC, since they’re the ones producing it. They have the money for the show, so I would guess that what they say, goes.
Doctor Who also has some established laws that govern the universe. The Doctor is a guy who loves to see new places and meet new people, and help them. He can travel through time and space in his TARDIS, and while he can’t always control where they go, he likes to pretend that’s not the case. He has deep feelings for his companions, usually platonic… But this can be argued, even with the old series.
The Daleks and Cybermen are evil. Other races are more grey, like the Ice Warriors.
The current Doctor, for whatever reason, can’t go back to Gallifrey. Perhaps, as Laura says, it’d be like looping back in his personal time line. It could also be that it would be too painful for him to go back to a planet populated with people that he tried to escape for most of his life, and to know that they would soon all be gone and he would be alone. Perhaps Gallifrey, for some unexplained Time War timey-wimey reason, is in the catagory of something outside of time, that obviously existed once, since with have this lone Time Lord as well as legends about the Time Lords, but now is a paradox.
Aaaanyway. I came to check if there was a new comic before breakfast, and since there isn’t… I’m going to go and eat that breakfast. Mmmm, cheerios.
Wow, those three comments came quick! That’s also a good explaination, Stressfactor. I’m not sure about the Krillitanes being a race of ‘higher being’, however. The jerks.
I can’t recall exactly which episode or episodes it was stated, but I’m certain that during one of the times the Doctor spoke of the Time War in the new series, he refers to the destruction of Gallifrey as being something that’s happened as an absolute, outside of time. He can’t go back, because it isn’t there anymore. He can’t go back in time and visit it in his own past, because it isn’t/wasn’t/never was/will be there anymore.
He’s also spoken of higher species being aware of the Time War. It seems species that possess knowledge of time manipulation, the so-called “higher species”, remember Gallifrey and remember Time Lords – but for everyone else it’s as though they never existed. Gallifrey wasn’t just destroyed as a point in space, at a particular point in time. It was destroyed as part of a Time War – and so the Doctor can’t just zap off in his TARDIS and go for a visit. There’s nothing to see but a burnt hunk of rock.
As others have said: wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey … stuff.
According to both the Eighth Doctor novels and audios, Gallifrey and the Time Lords were permanently locked into the structure of history. Most time-active people seem to synchronise in some way with this, so that when, for example, the 5th Doctor met Davros, the Daleks were time-active, so that when 6 and 7 met him, these meetings happened in Davros’ timeline after his meeting with 5. Also due to Gallifrey’s unique status, although you can arrive on any other world at any other point in that world’s timeline, you can’t do that with Gallifrey. For example, let’s say the Doctor had about 20 years in his timeline between Deadly Assassin and Invasion of Time (picking a random number of years that doesn’t contradict his age too much). When he returned to Gallifrey, he returned 20 years after the events of Deadly Assassin relative to Gallifrey-time. It would have been impossible for him to return 10 years, 30 years, 500 years, etc, after Deadly Assassin because of his synchronised timeline, and that also prevents him from travelling into Gallifrey’s past. The only times he’s met previous incarnations are when the Time Lords have been involved (or when the ordered structure of History supported by Gallifrey has shattered into wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey), and presumably they have the necessary technology to sustain such a paradox without blowing a hole in the universe the size of Belgium. Even if the Doctor found some way of manipulating Time such that he could return to Gallifrey’s past, it would either blow a bigger hole in the universe, summon the Reapers onto Gallifrey, or both, or more.
Thing is, it’s hard to tell how much older someone may be than another after time travelling, such as a year passing between Rose and The Aliens Of London, yet for the Doctor and Rose it was little more than a day.
The Doctor Can’t Go Back To Galifrey, it would interfere in his time line, and For Renegade Dalek, For The Doctor And Rose It Had Been Only A Day But It Had Been A Year Because The Doctor Made A Mistake When He Landed The Tardis
Kevin Says:
March 11, 2008 at 12:51 pm
Sorry about the lack of spacing and paragraphs in my message. If I do another message that lengthy, I’ll see about some spacing and paragraphs to make it easier to get through when reading.
About the Cybermen issue, I’ll admit the Cybermen were never supposed to be likeable, but it’s just that the original Cybermen are much more appealing to me and easier to watch than the imposters we’ve subjected to by RTD and Company. As mentioned, the classic Cybermen origin I find much easier to believe and despite those substitute Cybermen being called “invulnerable”, that was basically made a farce in that encounter with the Daleks in “Doomsday”.
About this female Doctor issue, I’m aware of this sentiment people have about wanting the Doctor to regenerate into a woman, but I’m skeptical that every female viewer would care to see such a radical step being done. Personally, I don’t see what’s so cool about the idea and despite people such as yourself thinking it would be cool, coolness in of itself doesn’t justify or warrant such an idea actually being done. I totally agree with Heather that there’s a distinct impression that Time Lords maintain their gender throughout their regerations and I don’t see any reason to tamper with that. Despite Romana’s transformations before becoming Romana II, I’m far from convinced that she could’ve chosen to be male as well and so I’m not convinced that Time Lords/Time Ladies have the capability to change gender in a regeneration. Even if they could, what’s the point and why bother as to why would it be so much better than sticking with the gender they already have.
Sure the idea of a female Doctor has been pushed by female interviewers and Tom Baker over the years, but they’ve offered nothing to make one think it would be such a great idea. I think the negatives would far outweigh the positives in such a thing being done and viewers like myself would lose interest. I view the idea as something of a gimmick and doesn’t do that much positive character development for the Doctor. I think that part of the reason why this idea has been pushed is that some people think that the only way you could have a female Time Lord or a decent one is by making the Doctor into something he isn’t, which I hate, and we all know that isn’t the case necessarily. As I’ve said, if people want a female Time Lord so bad, why not use an actual Time Lady and that would be much more constructive and entertaining to see.
Sure the idea of a female Doctor has been pushed by female interviewers
That’s weird. I would’ve thought it would be the guys pushing for it more. I don’t know, maybe it’s just me, but I usually have a hard time relating to female characters. We’re geared to feel more competetive and all that junk.
timey wimey deleting my comments, save them for future reference or time will change all togther atleast save them after i comment this is annoying. rich, one more day and i will be destroyed in a time loop got that? your death cuased by you please do it!
I’ve only seen the idea of female Doctor pushed by producers and the like hoping to cause controversey to stir up interest…it’s never really been favored by fans (of either gender) tho it made a wonderful reversal in the spoof “Doctor Who: The Curse of Fatal Death”- the title shows you just how seriously you should take any of the events as well :p unless you expect the Master to be hiding Dalek bumps under his jacket. The Master was always designed to be a sort of dark Doctor with meglomania – if the Doctor was polite and had chilverous manners, the Master was that way too. When the Doctor changed, the Master had to match him… but to avoid exploring tha theory further, I’ll just say, the Master in this comic is perfect for the 10 doctors here, very Ainley/Delgado like, perfect for a comic revisiting all those past compantions – and hopefully not killing any more of them off! What will Leela say when she finds out her husband was slain right in front of the Doctor? (refresh my memory – that was the Doctor’s good friend, Leela’s husband, correct?
Holy crap! So many messages.
No longer able to keep up with individual comments, I’m going to address the issues being discussed.
1: The Doctor’s relationships with his companions. I’ve already said my piece on this. I like my Doctor platonic and above petty romance. And I’d rather not watch the companions moon and swoon when they could be impressing us with some useful drama.
2: The Doctor as a woman: When Sylvester McCoy was not yet cast as the 7th Doctor I recall some discussion about casting a female incarnation. This may or may not have been merely to start controversy among the fans and generate interest, but a possible explanation is given. They said that perhaps the Time Lords live half their lives as one sex and then swap for the second half. It’s an idea. *shrug*
Kevin Stroik: It was never stated explicitely in any show, be it “The War Games” or “Destiny of the Daleks” that the swapping of genders could NOT take place. It simply didn’t happen. Could be any number of reasons. I can invent some for you if you like. The 2nd Doctor wasn’t physically capable of swapping genders at the time of his trial, his ‘lindos’ hormones needed to mature a little more first. Perhaps it requires a great deal of concentration and effort to gel that kind of change and without the Doctor’s cooperation (which they knew they’d never get) it wasn’t worth the risk of a failed regeneration. Similiarly with Romana, we KNOW she was just flipping bodies around to appease the Doctor. She had no intention of giving up her “Princess Astra” form. It wasn’t worth the extra energy or effort to try on a male body.
And incidently, in the entertainment industry, just because something is cool is a perfectly valid reason to do it. If it wasn’t for that fundamental fact, there would be no Doctor Who.
3: Doctor Who canon and the BBC. Jay….. um…. Okay, look:
Canon is simply what has been established about the universe of Doctor Who that should be respected in later stories. Like the fact that he’s called The Doctor. Or that he’s a Time Lord. Or that his ship is called the TARDIS. The show… and it IS a show, a TV show….has been going consistantly for nearly 30 years and now 3 more with more coming. Within that lots of CANON has been established. In fact, everything we know about the Doctor is canon. Stuff we don’t know about him is not. The point of these discussions is to decide for ourselves what information about the Doctor is official useful Canon that should be remembered for later, or what is not.
For example: I could establish right here and now that The Doctor is not, in fact, an alien. But a mutant cheese from the back of a refrigerater that went bad some years ago. By your argument, I’m right.
Now… legally, the BBC owns Doctor Who. That is, the Doctor, the TARDIS, the Cybermen, and a whole lot of other things that make the show what it is. They OWN it. You may disagree, but you try to produce or officially publish some unsanctioned Doctor Who material and see what happens. The TARDIS won’t show up and rescue you from the lawsuit.
4: The Doctor can’t go back to Gallifrey: Yeah, if it was as simple as the Doctor going back in time to when Gallifrey existed, it wouldn’t be quite so dramatic. He could just pop back there and visit when he gets lonely. Or rescue a few peope. Or change the outcome of the war. The show has never established WHY he always goes back to Gallifrey in his own timeline, at least, I dont think so… but it does appear to be fact. So we can assume that as far as the Doctor is concerned, for whatever reason, Gallifrey is GONE.
Rich: Heheh… yeah.
Mreen: No, the guy who died in the Doctor’s arms was Damon, a technician from “Arc of Infinity”. Not Leela’s husband (who’s name escapes me at the moment and I’m too lazy to go look it up), who was a security guard.
Yes yes yes yes yes as the very frsit doctor did like to say on ocaasions when he was particuarly frustrated.
I do not want to turn this into our own kind of time war on just perhaps a smaller scale. But i have been studing the Doctor as his origins for quite some time now.
The Doctor as is said on some very deep research forms was in at the very beginning with Rassilon and Omega he was simple called the other and yeah this is suppose to be the very same Doctor that we are still seeing now today.
There is a web site with books published way back at the trun of the 20th century with a kind of Doctor who time line published as stories at that time and the connection is kind of creepy.
So yeah I do realize that the whole concept of the show is that it a TV show Just as are so many scifi show’s have always been.
But oh how do i say this.
sometime’s words do fail me because they do seem so inadtequate to say how one does really does feel about nay kind of subjuct.
Yeha alright so the whole concept of doctor who is that it he is just another tv show i have really alwys know this just as most of us do. But what a Tv show it is.
Just perhaps one of the best Tv show’s ever dispite it’s many flaws.
oh how do i go on here about this.
putting it down in words on some page seems kind of futile. it all seems kind of empty phases on some blog or something which kind of means nothing really.
Oh well.
I do not mean to go off on some wilf tangent.
Alright so maybe this other doctor who was a fan fiction vidio back in the 80’s but it did make it onto vidio so that must still count as something granted it was not officail canon BBc doctor but this is what i kind of mean about it.
Why the devil does something have to be BBc canon come on yeah i know it has to be sanctioned by the Bloody BBC to be offfcial Doctor Who.
But then this would let a whole lot of people and ideas out just because they can not afford to be produced by the BBc and or get permsssion form the BBc for there ideas for anything else Doctor who or nay other show scifi or not.
All I am trying to do is to reconize other talent and those who have tryed to dare to keep the Doctor alive with there own ideas.Officail or not.
Laright so maybe the doctor can not go backward some how in time and or space to gailfrey in the past or in some other dimension timeline Parallel or whatever else.
But he once or twice did say something himselve to thses effcts once in the case of Adric he kind of unspokenly said not to ask him to seek out and go rescue Adrric when his own companions did question him on this so does even the Doctro have limits or is it some kind of unwrttten or unspoken rule or something that he will not do tis even thohg he could if and when he really did want to.
So yeah maybe he can not go back to Galifey but i peronally am not buying it sorry.
that’s how i feel about that issue.
And i alos think the doctor who cahractor is self autonomus that is he is self substaning he can fuction very completly by himself completly alone with no help whatso ever from nayone and or anything gallifrey other timelords or anything at all.
He has his own way’s of dealing with just about anything.
He also very probaly has money of some sort as as been suggested on a very few oocasions and or he know’s where to go to get money or way to do what he needs to do finacially.
so he is atonomus on this as well.
Yeah sure it si al just in our fevered imaginations and the writters who come up with it all.
but hey come on do you really want to admit that you do not really care for the Guy and can kind of belive that he just might really be out there somewhere for real.
I mean really think about it who wants’ to do that admit that he is just another figure on the tv set what the heck fun is that.
Alright i will grant you that that is who and what he really Just a Tv show but somehow i just want to keep it in my mind that he is far more ten just another Tv show.
now call me weird or strange or what have you but wat\y down deep i still do realy care for the Doctor no matter who he or she just might be.
Does this help at all. hope it does make some sense.
Anyway vooorrrpppp vooorrrppp to you all out there!
Jay!
Sorry about the spelling sometime i make mistakes on it was never very good in school on that you know O level or something like that!
Jay – you are, quite possibly, entirely detached from your senses. But all kudos to you if you think the Doctor is real. There’s something quite romantic about that. When I was younger I used to desperately want him to be real so I can identify with it. Although it kind of ruins it when, for example, Peter Davison turns up in ‘At Home with the Braithwaites’ and you have to accept that he’s just an actor, and it’s just a TV show. Although a damn fine one, I’ll agree with you.
What is this website you refer to about books published at the turn of the 20th century?
Oh and my own personal perspective is that the Doctor can’t become a woman. Can you imagine how confused Susan would have been if Grandfather had turned into Grandmother? That’s the sort of thing that kept Freud awake at night.
Yes well!
I’m not going to try to say that the Docor is a real person but hey what i do mean is that yeah it would be ever so great if and when he was.
That’s all i am meaning by all of this.
Yeah maybe some of us are kind of crazy in nay kind of identification with a fictictioal charactor just maybe we can really indentify with one like this who can really exsits in our fevered imaginaations.
The wriiters who have created this just perhaps want us to do just that we can care so very much with one like this that they can become very real.
That’s all i’m trying to say about all of this.
Yeah i know it’s really only a Tv show but it’s kind of making me depressed to kind of dismiss it as just that just another Tv show.
come on can’t we admit that we want it so bad that it hurt’s.
Yeah i know when youe see the reeal actors in something else or somewhere else outside of the show it is kind of disconcerning.
But then again the real appeal is that just perhaps inside of the Tv show just somehow there might be something kind of real about it the illusion is so very appealing that it can at time kind of foreshadow the realms between reality and fantasy who has or is not going to admit that they have thought so in the in betwen grounds between the pit of mans dispair and the summit of his escasy! and or..
that’s all i’m trying to get at by all of this.
sorry if it is not somehow working out that way.
but it as i am saying is kind of depressing to have to delve into the reality of the show as just something to entertain anyone for entertainments sake only and with no grey areas to really think on what a real pity that is to only look at it like that.
But if that’s the way you would and must look at it then i guess i can onky say that that is somewhat or somehow fine with me but not really.
I want to belive like Foix Mulder used to say on X files.
maybe i am somewhat over the edge in my thinking like this but rather then think in only black and white i do somehow perfer it this other way.
As for the doctor somehow being female and this somehow causing confusion with his female and or male companions don’t you really this that they just might adjust to the Doctor being who and what he she might be no matter what come on don’t you reallly thing that the companions can accpet the Doctor for what and how is is no matter what i belive they can adjust and accpet this fact.
maybe it’s only me but somehow oh well!
I have seen this other site about the connection between the present day Doctor and the story line of this other stories from the turn of the 20th century and will try to find it again and get the information to pass along.
Sorry once again if any of this is still confusing to anyone at all.
But just trying my darnest to out it down the way i see it and understand it all as best i can.
And really si that not what any of us can really do.
It is and never has been my intention to eschew any obication i do hope i got that word right not one i use to very much.
Jay!
Oh and by the by Freud was highly over rated if and when you really do want reailty and was kind of a sexual deviant he was hung up a sex quite a bit! and is really resposible for all of the current problems with mind problems of today yet.
Of which i am very skeptical of personally!
Jay!
Jay, I believe what you are discussing would be considered your own personal ‘fanon’, that is, canon that a fan chooses to believe. Sometimes it is from unofficial sources, like fanvids or fanfic that make so much sense to you. Sometimes it’s choosing which of the slightly inconsistant reasons that have been presented in Doctor Who for the past 40 years to believe. For example, in my fanon, the Doctor is not half human, on his mother’s side. I’ve heard some good arguments over why only that particular incarnation would be half human, but I still can’t buy it. It seems like a gimmick that FOX used, to try to make him more relatable.
However, if the Tenth Doctor brought it up again as fact, I would have to accept it. Do you see what I mean? I can choose to believe anything, but I have to accept the official BBC canon, or the show just doesn’t work. Daleks are evil squid things. Ice warriors hiss. Jack can’t die, though whether or nor he was kidding abou the Face of Bo thing remains to be seen, Jack being Jack. I’d kinda prefer to think of him not ending up as a giant head in a jar, but again, that’s my personal fanon.
It is a very cool idea to think that the Doctor is alive and out saving us somewhere, which is why I think it’s such a popular show. I wish it could be true, just so I could visit the old Hyperion studio, which would possibly be the coolest moment of my life.
And Jay, perhaps you should type your comments in Microsoft Word, or something, first? Then you could spell check them, which might help when trying to understand your arguments.
Rich: I was waiting for your ‘holy cow, that’s zillions of comments, guys!’ post. And I laughed to myself when it finally came.
You’re right, in that something being cool can be a good reason to do it. I just hope they don’t… Unless they could give him a *reason* to switch genders, or make it something he has to do for continued survival… Maybe that’s how he could get past the 13 regenerations? 13 as a man, 13 as a woman? If they don’t, it’ll feel like a half-human gimmick.
Mreen: That’s a good point about the Master, he’s almost the Doctor’s mirror image. It makes sense for him to be more high energy. One could argue, with this Doctor’s actions at the end of the Family of Blood story, that he’s quite dark enough… That bit sent shivers down my spine.
The story itself isn’t always that scary, it normally just the music, try imagining it with the simpsons theme tune or something like that, it won’t be so terrifying, that’s probably a way to cover up pathetic script writing, flushing it out with dramatic music.
Mine too…one of the problems I have with 10 is that he comes across as too callous, and the Doctor’s never been callous – I can’t imagine even the 7th Doctor from the New Adventures committing genocide against newborn Racnoss (unless they were threatening the very stability of the Web of Time), or making people immortal and imprisoning them forever (although let’s face it, chains of dwarf star alloy and being thrown towards a black hole don’t give immortality, they give a slow death). And yet he never does anything about the evil humans that, given human nature, are going to turn up in the future and wage genocidal wars or try to take over the universe or whatever – I know we’re his favourite species (somehow) but under the current production team it’s heading towards racism.
rich… i saw you walk right past me yester day, today, if you dont come tomorrow i am dead! this will create a time rip and croop! your consumed, poof, paradox, world destroyed, becuase you dont undertsand differance between jokes and reality, so check NOW! this is no joke, and i am dieing already
Yeah alright that is kind of where i am going.
You should check out these fan vid’s from the 80’s which i have listed a few times now they are not to shabby really for fan vids and in tehm the Doctor regenerates as female a kind of very difficult regeneration for him to become a her but it really does happen.
And so this is why i do feel so strongly about this fan vid it does give an entirely different perspective of the Doctor and what he just might do to survive as it is put here.
Yeah pleae do check these out and see for yourself.
that’s really all that i can ask.
then you just might know why i do care about this.
Anyway!
Jay!
Er. Wow. o____o Looks like a lot of excitement happened since I last checked. Hmm.
As for the Doctor being able to visit Gallifrey…didn’t he say somewhere that Gallifrey was sort of in all dimensions at once, or something? That’s why Time Lords don’t repeat in the alternate universes, right? Well, that would apply to visiting, too – if it’s destroyed at any one point in time, it is gone in all points of time because it is IN all points of time at once.
Does that make any sense? It’s like, time is a line, right? And time travelers can create their own loopy line that twists and turns. Gallifrey is another line, too, and previously you could travel between all the lines happily. But the Time War happened somewhen, and set in on fire. It doesn’t matter where you light the match, it’s all going to burn.
I think…
Wulfae: “For example, in my fanon, the Doctor is not half human, on his mother’s side. I’ve heard some good arguments over why only that particular incarnation would be half human, but I still can’t buy it. It seems like a gimmick that FOX used, to try to make him more relatable.”
I think I want to have your babies, wulfae.
Well, ok, maybe not literally – apart from anything else, I believe we’re both women – but you get my drift. I know RTD and the BBC are treating the 1996 movie as canon, but that’s where it all falls down for me, because of the glaring inconsistencies within it. From a RL point of view, yes, I’m also of the opinion it was a studio decision to make the Doctor more accessible to American audiences, many of whom wouldn’t have grown up with him. From a story point of view it’s a bit tougher to justify away given the events in the movie, but dammit, the Doctor was always 100% alien in the old days, and that’s the way he’ll always be for me. And to be fair, while RTD has stated that they’re taking the movie as canon and are therefore counting David Tennant as Doctor #10 instead of #9, at least they’ve completely ignored the rest of the atrocities that were perpetrated on the franchise in that production. So that’s certainly something to be grateful for.
Jay, you’ve mentioned these 1980’s fan vids several times, but I don’t believe you’ve supplied a link to them. I’d be interested to see them, but without a link it’s a bit like looking for a needle in a haystack. Any chance of popping up a link for us?
As far as the “half-human” thing goes, I remember Bill Willingham (the writer of Fables) telling us something on his message-board once. “I never lie to you. But I wouldn’t believe everything my characters say.” The Doctor can be a bit flip, and isn’t past embroidering the truth or making it up a bit. And since that was only brought up once… *shrug* I don’t really count it as part of my personal fanon either, unless it’s well-handled in a fic, in which case, I’ll suspend my disbelief (it’s happened…once).
Whereas Gallifrey, well, that’s been said fairly often. It’s a key point for the Doctor. For some reason or other, he simply cannot, as thing stand, go back to Gallifrey.
I’d be lying if I said that in some way, I’m still kind of hoping to hear the TARDIS engines one day (my alarm clock is set to use that sound effect, because it gets me up pretty quick), especially now that I just finished college (today) and realize the idea of a magic travelling box that can go anywhere with limited hassle and no rent is pretty sweet…
Then again, I don’t really have a problem believing in impossible things (before breakfast?), or even conflicting things. Heck, I’m a Christian, but I still rather hope that Death turns out to be a perky, sweet goth girl with a swirly under one eye, y’know?
Mine too…one of the problems I have with 10 is that he comes across as too callous, and the Doctor’s never been callous
Well, I can’t help but think that in all the Doctor’s incarnations, he’s been something he hasn’t been before. I think callous is what Ten brings to the role. It’s creepy, but it’s certainly interesting. I got shivers during the end of Family of Blood. Although I’m kind of hoping that Baines/Son-of-Mine comes back, just because, well, the Doctor did put him to watch over the fields of England. It’s not too out of the way that he might be used for that purpose somehow.
Ten takes things personally, I think. I think the destruction of Gallifrey has him a little overprotective of Earth. Not sure why with Ten it’s so much more violent than Nine. And he got upset and overthrew Harriet Jones for doing less than he did with the spider-babies.
sometime’s words do fail me because they do seem so inadtequate to say how one does really does feel about nay kind of subjuct.
I don’t mean to sound snarky, I really don’t, but it may help if, like wulfae said, you spell/grammar-checked your entries before posting. And periods or full-stops, whatever you want to call them–properly used, they go a very long way in making your posts coherent.
I think I want to have your babies, wulfae.
*dies laughing* XD We totally are both women, but I get your point. One thing that I’m (almost!) enjoying about the break is a chance to discuss Who with people. Not sure why, but it all being on one page and not broken up into threads is very interesting. *waves to new friends*
I never thought about how RTD and BBC are treating the movie as canon, what with him being the 10th regeneration and all! I think they’ve internally decided that he was being flip when he mentioned it, to throw people off balance.
Even though the ‘96 movie isn’t my fave ever, there were a few things that I really disliked. Having now met the Master, I don’t see how the one in that film was anything other than an impersonator. But what really got my goat was that guy in the morgue. The big one, y’know? Especially at the new years party, where someone scared him, and he did SO MUCH of a take that he flung his popcorn all over himself.
That was just too much. I’m sad that 8 didn’t have a longer run on screen, to maybe flesh out his character more and perhaps explain away his quips (”Half human? I was just kidding you.” And then he’d lol.), I’m not sad that the over acted take on Doctor Who didn’t continue. They’re treating it more seriously in the new series, which I think is really paying off.
Mine too…one of the problems I have with 10 is that he comes across as too callous, and the Doctor’s never been callous
To be fair about killing the little spider babies… The Doctor did offer to take them to a new planet, and the Racnoss said that they wouldn’t. It was either kill off a race of predators that the Time Lords already pretty much destroyed (I think?) or let them kill of all the humans on Earth and then spread across the galaxy like a plague of locusts. I haven’t seen five, six, or seven, but I’m not sure if they were ever handed that sort of choice. Perhaps he could’ve constructed something that put the babies back to sleep, but then what would happen when they awoke? Humanity and then the rest of the galaxy would be eaten.
One thing that I’ve noticed about the Doctor is while he abhors violence and before 4 wouldn’t handle a gun, he doesn’t seem to have too many problems with his Companions gettin’ physical with the alien baddies. He does try to keep them from killing, like Leela, but if there’s no other way… Well. He pretty much keeps his hands clean.
And he got upset and overthrew Harriet Jones for doing less than he did with the spider-babies. The spiderbabies weren’t leaving, they were staying. Harriet Jones destroyed an enemy that had surrendered, and had fled. While I can see her point of view, since the Doctor isn’t always around to spout technobabble and save the day, I can also see his. Another incredibly difficult decision to make. I’m sad it turned out the way it did, I really especially now that I just finished college (today)
Now THAT deserves some internet cookies. *hands out*
Jay, I too would love some links to these videos. I’d like to see what fans create in the Doctor’s absence!
Wow, what happened there? In my bit about Harriet Jones, the sentence was SUPPOSED to read:
I’m sad that it turned out the way it did, I really liked Harriet Jones, MP for Flydale North.
Then it went to some fun italics that also didnt’ show up, for some reason. :S
Laura: You know I can’t help think of how cool it would be if the TADIS showed up in the parking-lot of the Safeway I work at. I found myself daydreaming that it would just appear while I was out getting carts and he would take me away, once I got off for the day of course. I don’t even care which Doctor it is. I told my friend this once when we were discussing UFOs one day when she was spending the night and we walked to the Safeway I work at to get some food. I have a TARDIS wallpaper on my computer now.
As well as one with the Tenth Doctor coming out of the TARDIS after his regeneration, so he was still in Nine’s clothes.
Alright i will put these down for all one more time.
You must go on google serach and type in Barbara Benedetti doctor who and then scroll down i think the frsit link might be at the top of the frsit page under that above title and then scrool down and find walking in eternity and look at aht one both ahve pictures of Barbara Benedetti doctor and on the frsit site you can ordert the fan vids from Ryan K. Johnson on DVD’s today now.
Laright this is where i found all about the doctor being in a female incarnation even though it is fan vid it is still the Doctor in a kind of dificult regenration but it is him here none the less because it did make it onto fan vidio’s.
Jay!
And after decoding those instructions, I present to you the link to the Barbara Benedetti fanvid. I couldn’t find a trailer or anything online, but it’ll apparently cost you 2 bucks to get a DVD. American, I think.
That’s not too unreasonable!
Hmm I do not know what the two dollars is for must be for something that i am not aware of.
But you should be able to find the two link’s i am talking about by typeing in the Barbara Benedetti doctor who and finding the frsit one at the top of the frsit page and then the walking in etermity one futher down on the frsit page of the babbara benedetti google search under her name this frist one i think does have the way to order the dvd’s from Ryan K, Johnson if anf when you would like to ahve here four Doctor Who fan vid’s they are not really to bad for 80’s style unoffcial Doctor Who.
Barbara ded in real life sometime back then when she was 38 years’s old so ryan was not avble to make naymore fan vids with her.
Another reason to care about her work..
There is a listing on the Ryan Site about her ep’s of playing the Doctor it’s really to bad that Ryan has not put these out for most to see like on you tube or somewhere so others could see them.
Jay!
Her doctor who theme is not to bad either although it is very simalar to maybe the 7th or 6th doctor’s theme from about that same time.
The Whole Female doctor thing was started as Tom baker left the show.
At the end of the press conference announcing his departure he was asked if he had anything to add he said he wished the new doctor all the best (something like that any way)
“Whoever He or She May be”
that sparked the whole media female doctor thing, it was meant as a joke and its been running ever since
thanks Tom
Yes i do know of that! But Barbara Benedetti was no joke she-was and is the female Doctor unofficail none the less she was and is One of the Doctor’s
Jay!
That’s iffy territory to be walking on – does this mean that Peter Cushing, Rowan Atkinson, Hugh Grant, Richard E Grant et al are also ‘one of the Doctors’?
Yeah just perhap’s was that unoffcial Doctor who or a BBC one off comedy for something kind of hard to recall now.
But i do know that Rowan askek if he might ever come back and play the Doctor straight and he said yeah he just might one day and he could do it if and when he really did want to.
Anyway they can be counted as Doctor’s in that sense.
I’ve always liked Rowan and Joann Lumley hmmm did i get her name right oh well.
Jay!
…and all the parodies that were ever done with dorky comedians in crappy mock Who costumes… and all the wanky fan Doctors with online series…
I guess there’s millions of Doctors, then. So much for 13 incarnations.
Yeah well to be fair if anf when the master can get extra regenertions then why not the Doctor!
Jay!
After all thats really how it all did begin!
Jay, part of the point of my putting up the link was to stop the confusion of trying to follow your instructions. I’m not sure what you’re talking about. I don’t know if you’ll even check this entry again, but if you do, could you just go to where ever it is you’re trying to send us, copy the address in your browser, and then paste it into this comment box? Then we could just copy and paste it ourselves, and go right there instead of trying to find it on google, and all that.
Yeah well alright if that’s how you find dtuff i guess that is fine. But i am not sure how to do that address to the browser or whatever that is.
I don’t really follow all of that computer goobly gook word’s and stuff if i really want to find something at all i find ift very easy to reseach it or find it on th search engine hey it work’s for me.
I guess to each his or here won as the cases maybe.
I can try to figure that out and post it like you are saying.
But i did think i did make it as clear as posible how to find the right links on the google search.
All you had to really do was type in those right word’s about Barbara Benedetti Doctor who and it would have taken you rright to it.
it is listed right there under those words on the google.
I never have any problems finding stuff this way.
But i ma not very sure how to do all of that pasting stuff.
to me that is kind of confusing.
Oh well never wanted to make any real touble maybe i can figure out what you do mean about all of that.
So sorry if i did cause nay problems for nayone at all. never wanted to do that.
Jay!
Kevin Says:
March 13, 2008 at 7:48 pm
About the Barbara Benedetti Doctor thing, Jay, that’s your choice but just because she had some fan videos does not change my view when I say she never was and never has been one of the Doctors. Being that the only Doctors I count are Doctors 1-10 as seen in Doctor Who and the audios done by Big Finish with Doctors 5-8, Barbara Benedetti is in the same category with Peter Cushing, Rowan Atkinson, Hugh Grant, Richard E. Grant et al as not being One of the Doctors. As has been remarked, your contention about Barbare Benedetti is on “iffy grounds” and since fan videos count about the same as online series, there only 10 Doctors so far existing in my view.
As to why the Master can have more 12 regenerations and the Doctor can’t, I think it has something to do with the fact that the Master has been obsessed with surviving beyond 13 incarnations and just about every story that the Master has been in past the Delgado Era has shown this fact out. With the Doctor on the other hand, I don’t get the impression that he has any desire to go beyond the 13 lives limit and thus the Doctor is perfectly content with just 12 regenerations and is not looking for any extra ones. It’s nice to see that someone confirmed Tom Baker’s hand when it comes to the whole origin of this female doctor thing and the fact that this idea was a joke has continued to be pushed over the years shows how oblivious some people are.
Yeah alright you are certainly entiled to your own opinions on the facts that I am gathering from all of this is that it does seem that most on this comments page do not want to accept that the Doctor could be female at all in nayway.
Alright so that’s just fine fi that’s the way most of you do really feel about it.
But I am going to kind of hold my ground on this if and when at all possible.
Because i feel that it just does not have to be official BBC to be accpted as Doctor Who.
I feel that Barbara need’ nad must be reconnized for her own work in this
And that she is not to be really lumped with those others that have been mentioned save for Rowan Joann Lumley and maybe just one other.
Because the rest weer just one shot comedy and as for Peter Cusing if memory does serve me right his doctor who movies had jsut one saving grace and that is that they did see fit to include the red Dalaks beyond that he was some kind of mad earth sco\ientist and was not form an alien world at all as the BBc doctor has and is.
So he is kind of out of the real official Doctor as well.
It is kind of real sad that most do seem to feel that Barbara’s work is to be denied and or lumped as a one off when i am sure that RYan feels as i do that she deserves far more reconition then this.
She made four unoffcial Non BBC vidios where she was the Doctor and the stories do ahve kind of a doctor who sounding titles.
So since i do kind of feel passioate on this i am going to continue to defend Barbarba as one of the Doctors.
Alright that is my choice and i am going to stand by it.
I like her kind of personal aldso. and feel that she desreves this reconition.
So i am going to continue to fit here in somewhere out there between the 6th and 7th official BC doctors and to me she will stand out tall in this whole crazy Hairy Fantasy of the Doctor and all of his her Made up BBC owned franchise of the Doctor and all of his wild crazy adventures if that’s how you want to view it then that’s alos fine with me.
Because i do know that he is a fantasy but what a fantasy.
So I will continue to think of all of the Doctors and Like them all dispite there many flaws they are all just slpedid Chaps all of them Barbara included.
So if and when you do choose not to out here in then fine.
But i am going to do so and hold this groud with her offcial and or not.
She is one of the Doctors and that’s all!
Now as for this other subject of the Doctor having plus regnerations beyond his own 13 i also will stand on this ratther strongly if and when as you say the master feels somehow compled to somehow seek out continued extensions for waht ever reasons he just might personal have then what the heck is going to prevent the Doctor from feeling the same way come on do you really belive that the Doctor.would just want or accept 13 lives and that’s it.
The Doctor does have some passion for living and would want to continue for as long as possible beyond 13 lives and or maybe live one or two regenrations for a very long time or!
So this is how i kind of fell about it personally and i am going to continue to feel this way because that’s the way i feel it should be.
Alright so the Doctor is not a real person but he exsists in my minds dimensions somewhere. and i am going to hold with him because i like it that way!
Now let us move on to other topics or thoughts on the show or something becaue i tire of this debate!
Jay!
Yeah alright you are certainly entiled to your own opinions on the facts that I am gathering from all of this is that it does seem that most on this comments page do not want to accept that the Doctor could be female at all in nayway.
If, in the official series, the Doctor regenerates into a woman, you’ll find most of us are forced to accept it and will. Personally I have no problem with it as long as it’s handled properly.
Alright so that’s just fine fi that’s the way most of you do really feel about it.
But I am going to kind of hold my ground on this if and when at all possible.
So it seems.
Because i feel that it just does not have to be official BBC to be accpted as Doctor Who.
That’s just opening the door soo wide for possibilities. Do you know HOW MUCH unofficial Doctor Who crap there is out there? I saw “episodes” of the show with an entire cast of children under 10. The Doctor’s TARDIS was a shed in the back yard. You, of course, are perfectly within your rights to accept what you want to as part of the Doctor Who universe official canon. But don’t expect a lot of people to agree with you. Or even know who you’re talking about. There’s just far too much material.
I feel that Barbara need’ nad must be reconnized for her own work in this
And that she is not to be really lumped with those others that have been mentioned save for Rowan Joann Lumley and maybe just one other.
Why? Did she pay you? Are you dating her? Why is she more official than other “apocryphal” Doctors?
Because the rest weer just one shot comedy and as for Peter Cusing if memory does serve me right his doctor who movies had jsut one saving grace and that is that they did see fit to include the red Dalaks beyond that he was some kind of mad earth sco\ientist and was not form an alien world at all as the BBc doctor has and is.
Only the ones from the “The Cures of Fatal Death”. What about the guy who played the Doctor in the “Dalek Masterplan” stageplay? Or Trevor Martin’s incarnation from “The Seven Keys to Doomsday”, a stageplay from the 70’s that even included a film clip with Jon Pertwee where the 3rd Doctor regenerates! Or the David Banks incarnation in “The Ultimate Adventure” stage play (all of which, incidently, included cool red Daleks).
So he is kind of out of the real official Doctor as well.
Seems to me he’s got a hell of a lot more right to be considered then your friend whatsername who appeared in what, 4 fan videos? Cushing’s films were sanctioned by Terry Nation who created the Daleks.
So since i do kind of feel passioate on this i am going to continue to defend Barbarba as one of the Doctors.
Alright that is my choice and i am going to stand by it.
I like her kind of personal aldso. and feel that she desreves this reconition.
Clearly.
So i am going to continue to fit here in somewhere out there between the 6th and 7th official BC doctors and to me she will stand out tall in this whole crazy Hairy Fantasy of the Doctor and all of his her Made up BBC owned franchise of the Doctor and all of his wild crazy adventures if that’s how you want to view it then that’s alos fine with me.
That’s the only way it makes sense, sweetheart. Carry on.
Because i do know that he is a fantasy but what a fantasy.
You’re sure about that?
So if and when you do choose not to out here in then fine.
I don’t quite understand that sentence, but if you said what I think you did, I wouldn’t hold your breath if I were you.
She is one of the Doctors and that’s all!
That’s nice, dear.
…do you really belive that the Doctor.would just want or accept 13 lives and that’s it.
Well since he has often been very outspoken about the horrors of immortality, I say yes. He knows how much life has been alotted to him and he’s far too responsible to start tampering with extended lives like so many others did. The Master, Borusa, Mawdryn, and all these other fine fellows.
Now let us move on to other topics or thoughts on the show or something becaue i tire of this debate!
In that I think we are all VERY MUCH IN AGREEMENT!
Kevin Says:
March 14, 2008 at 10:08 pm
It would be rather sad if Tom Baker’s joke would actually be a reality in Doctor Who and I pray to God that the BBC would have more sense than that as Tom Baker would have the last laugh. I’m very skeptical that the Doctor regenerating into a woman thing could be handled properly without it looking like a gimmick and without it being bogged down with frivilous details such as what dress or skirt and blouse is the Doctor wearing from story to story. I’m not the only one when I say I’ll watch a Time Lord who’s female from the start instead of seeing Tom Baker’s joke actually being done, but being how draining this debate has been, I don’t care or intend to saying anymore about this issue.
Yeah I am in total agreement on this!
I will just add one ore thing..it is all just fine with me about all of this
it was never my intention for it to degenerate into this but somehow it did.
And for that i too am sorry!
I never wanted that to happen but somehow stuff likemthis does seem to get out of control why this happens has kind of alwasy een a puzzelment to me..
I just wanted it to be highly imteresting about why i fell this way about hese fan vids’s .
Why people get upset about it is kind of strange to me in a lot of ways’s but i can accpet that others feel this way and did not want a shouting match. like it kind of turned out.
I was certtainly willing to be as open as i could about it all.
Alright so there might have been informatiion that i did leave out. like about Peter Cushing and other stuff so hey i’m not perfect on ever aspect of everything Doctor who officail or unoffcial.
But ehn who of us really is.
it was more hope to just have some kind of friendly conversation on it al.
But somehow that just did not happen.
I will add that i am again sorry that this did happen.
And maybe i should have let it go before that did happen but like something’s it git lost or something.
to let it get so angry was not what i wanted.
If nay are still offened.
for that i also apoligize.
And no no one would or is paying me to say nay of this if that were the case it would be entirely different.
Yeah that would have been nce to have known this actreess in that sense but no that never did happen either it is just that i like here for my own personal reasons and admire here work.
But it is kind of irrelvant becuase this actree is now dead in real life.
So also in remeberance to and out of respect for here i like here work in and as the Doctor and in most anything esle she did.
Some might be bad some might be good but she does deserve respect for her efforts that is all i was meanning by nay of this.
Peter had his own style as well so i can kind of agree with the addded comments that he to desreves reconition for his efforts as well i do not dislike Peter at and alright his Doctor who was not totally awful or something.
So if i went over the top as sometimes i do have a tendecy to do for that i also apoligize.
If nay are stil mad at me or anything about what was or is said well just sometimes we might let oursleves regret it in the heat of the debate. feelins get upset and that ws not right either.
Oh how to put it nay other way.
Sometimes it does seem that word’s are so very empty and are taking out o there very concept and how i really do dispise that.
It becomes very difficult to even express ones self because tempers kind of ruin everything.
Now i can lok at it from three dyas later and see the mistakes that were made
Oh how i do dislike this words out down on apage which seem so inadtquate to say how you feel because they blow up on you.
And are really kind of meaningless.
So do not dislike me for my stance lon it i never did wan thisto have happened.
I just wanted?—
I can not think of anyway else to say anymore but do not be upset angry with me personally. thjis i never really wanted either. for any real personally hatered to deveop!.
I never met to attack anyone personally.
This is all very yucky I wish it had never come to this.
Hope we can forget all of this and move on somehow.
Rich don’t hold of what was said againest me alright!
I really do like and admire the whole comic strip and your continued work on it all>
Thank’s once again Jay!
Thanks. Good luck on yours.
the other future rich hasnt appeared for a while. rich. you just killed yourself and survived. via the i killed my future self via paradox and it has a time rip paradox. or he gave up and hoped you started reaserch instead of being told.
celery boy.
I love the lines ” celery boy” and ” you give a new meaning to self-loathing”.
Number 6 gets all the best lines.
“Watch it or I’ll go back and turn the Pharos dish myself”
Classic.
It’s been said, but I’ll say it again:
” self loathing”
” Pharos dish myself!” lol!!