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		<title>By: Suzanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suzanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 20:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree , Louise!!
Rose is the old companion who felt entitled to be with the Doctor. She started out ok until you realized how bad her father issued were, her horrible treatment of Mickey (See the first few minutes of Age of Steel before karma takes them to AU), her not wanting ANYONE speaking to him, ever.  Things are only funny if SHE thinks they are funny.  She was rude to Sarah Jane and the Doctor didn&#039;t tell her off like he should have.  She&#039;s the high matience girlfriend everyone tells you to get rid of.  If she could trap him (her speech in Satan&#039;s Pit) she would have.  She&#039;s even jealous in the SECOND episode and she has a tantrum. *sigh*
Martha is a product of lazy writers
I love Leela, She sticks with him but she&#039;s really just a bodyguard.  I love Romana (both)
Do we get to hear them say their  skills?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree , Louise!!<br />
Rose is the old companion who felt entitled to be with the Doctor. She started out ok until you realized how bad her father issued were, her horrible treatment of Mickey (See the first few minutes of Age of Steel before karma takes them to AU), her not wanting ANYONE speaking to him, ever.  Things are only funny if SHE thinks they are funny.  She was rude to Sarah Jane and the Doctor didn&#8217;t tell her off like he should have.  She&#8217;s the high matience girlfriend everyone tells you to get rid of.  If she could trap him (her speech in Satan&#8217;s Pit) she would have.  She&#8217;s even jealous in the SECOND episode and she has a tantrum. *sigh*<br />
Martha is a product of lazy writers<br />
I love Leela, She sticks with him but she&#8217;s really just a bodyguard.  I love Romana (both)<br />
Do we get to hear them say their  skills?</p>
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		<title>By: dalektaliban</title>
		<link>http://comics.shipsinker.com/2007/11/10/the-10-doctors-page-58/#comment-19833</link>
		<dc:creator>dalektaliban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 12:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cybermen are so thick lol</description>
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		<title>By: Maker of Reality</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maker of Reality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 05:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On Romance and the Doctor: I think in the New Series the Doctor is sad lonely and a bit pathetic for being the last of his kind; so he becomes more attached to his human companions in ways he hadn&#039;t before &#039;cause he&#039;s sad lonely and pathetic. 
Now I think about it, the audiences ARE different, I understand that back in the 70s people didn&#039;t kiss on screen, it wasn&#039;t apropiate, it is now; people espect it. 
On Martha: Martha is kinda cool, and way hotter than Rose, I&#039;ve always though Rose wore too much make up, made her look like a Call Girl (sorry couldn&#039;t ressist); but she&#039;s a Rose replacement, Martha is there to take Rose&#039;s place, but it doesn&#039;t work because she is not Rose and she knows it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Romance and the Doctor: I think in the New Series the Doctor is sad lonely and a bit pathetic for being the last of his kind; so he becomes more attached to his human companions in ways he hadn&#8217;t before &#8217;cause he&#8217;s sad lonely and pathetic.<br />
Now I think about it, the audiences ARE different, I understand that back in the 70s people didn&#8217;t kiss on screen, it wasn&#8217;t apropiate, it is now; people espect it.<br />
On Martha: Martha is kinda cool, and way hotter than Rose, I&#8217;ve always though Rose wore too much make up, made her look like a Call Girl (sorry couldn&#8217;t ressist); but she&#8217;s a Rose replacement, Martha is there to take Rose&#8217;s place, but it doesn&#8217;t work because she is not Rose and she knows it.</p>
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		<title>By: Zaphod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zaphod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 03:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love Peri...and not just for her boobs! This is excellent stuff. Many thanks!</description>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EXCELLENT!  Cybercontroller is very cool.  Makes me want to watch Attack Of The Cybermen again.</description>
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		<title>By: Levanta T.</title>
		<link>http://comics.shipsinker.com/2007/11/10/the-10-doctors-page-58/#comment-1399</link>
		<dc:creator>Levanta T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 20:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for your first comment, laura:)

~levanta (quick name change:))</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for your first comment, laura:)</p>
<p>~levanta (quick name change:))</p>
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		<title>By: Solar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Solar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 19:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know I&#039;m coming into this rather late, but can I just pick you up on one thing?  Despite your comment on 11 Nov, Rich, The Dalek Invasion Of Earth doesn&#039;t say that Earth is the only planet with a magnetic core.  That&#039;s a fan myth.

In one scene, one character speculates that the Daleks might be after something that only Earth possesses.  We never learn that his speculation is right.  And there&#039;s nothing to suggest that it is right.  Then in another scene, the Daleks (who weren&#039;t even present in the earlier scene, and know nothing of what was said there) say they want to remove the Earth&#039;s magnetic core.  There is nothing to connect the different statements made by different characters in different scenes.

Sorry to be so pedantic.  But I enjoy it so much.... ;)

And I&#039;m also enjoying the comic so much.  Great work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know I&#8217;m coming into this rather late, but can I just pick you up on one thing?  Despite your comment on 11 Nov, Rich, The Dalek Invasion Of Earth doesn&#8217;t say that Earth is the only planet with a magnetic core.  That&#8217;s a fan myth.</p>
<p>In one scene, one character speculates that the Daleks might be after something that only Earth possesses.  We never learn that his speculation is right.  And there&#8217;s nothing to suggest that it is right.  Then in another scene, the Daleks (who weren&#8217;t even present in the earlier scene, and know nothing of what was said there) say they want to remove the Earth&#8217;s magnetic core.  There is nothing to connect the different statements made by different characters in different scenes.</p>
<p>Sorry to be so pedantic.  But I enjoy it so much&#8230;. <img src='http://comics.shipsinker.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And I&#8217;m also enjoying the comic so much.  Great work.</p>
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		<title>By: Celticfox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Celticfox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In fact, on human years the Doctor&#039;s in his twenties.</description>
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		<title>By: Celticfox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Celticfox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About new series Doctor/COmpanion romances. (cue long rant)

Firstly. What no one else seems to have noticed. From a Gallifreyan perspective, THE DOCTOR&#039;S NOT THAT OLD. Continuity is a bit conflictive in this area but the general impression I got was that each Time Lord incarnation could last for about six hundred years. Times thirteen lives, that&#039;s 7800. The Doc&#039;s only 1,036. In human years that&#039;s not very old. So romance is not out of the question. I think the main problem is that you&#039;re old skool DW fans and maybe don&#039;t realize that DW has a bit of a different audience these days, including hormonal young people who require a bit of romance so they can more deeply empathize with the Doctor and his companions.

Rose: Well, she&#039;s just the absolute Mary-Sue, isn&#039;t she? Spunky, uneducated, teenage slacker who wears way too much makeup and is the OMG soulmate!!! of the Doctor. &#039;Nuff said. I ship Nine/Rose but Ten/Rose should be friends only. (Yeah, I know, opposite of most people. Happens a lot.)

Martha: Smart. Brave. Her unrequited love makes us see a new side of the Doctor, one that isn&#039;t entirely pleasant. (Rather like the abandoning Jack thing.) Martha herself says the Doctor made her feel like second best. This is not the effect the Doctor is supposed to have on companions. Yet I think she&#039;d be a much better match for the Doctor, seeing as she&#039;s older, smarter, braver more motivated than Rose. &#039;Takes all of Rose&#039;s bad qualities and makes them worse&#039;??? Excuse me, just what bad qualities are you talking about here? Rose and Martha have practically nothing in common.

Oh, and for people who deplore Piper leaving the show, think: would most of the episodes of the third season have WORKED with Rose? Can you see Rose working as a maid for three months all out of love for the Doctor? (Make her work as a dinner lady for two DAYS and she whines, the slacker.) Can you see the Doc facing down the Master with Rose offering moral support? (The whole point of the Doctor/Master thing was that the Doc felt even more lonely with Rose gone, and felt the loss of his people more keenly.) Can you see Rose traveling the world out of love for her captured Time Lord? Um, no! The Time Vortex thing was pure, dumb luck and Rose had absolutely no idea what she was doing.

Ugh. Yeah. Feels good to get that rant off  my chest.

Probably no one&#039;s even going to read this. Fantastic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About new series Doctor/COmpanion romances. (cue long rant)</p>
<p>Firstly. What no one else seems to have noticed. From a Gallifreyan perspective, THE DOCTOR&#8217;S NOT THAT OLD. Continuity is a bit conflictive in this area but the general impression I got was that each Time Lord incarnation could last for about six hundred years. Times thirteen lives, that&#8217;s 7800. The Doc&#8217;s only 1,036. In human years that&#8217;s not very old. So romance is not out of the question. I think the main problem is that you&#8217;re old skool DW fans and maybe don&#8217;t realize that DW has a bit of a different audience these days, including hormonal young people who require a bit of romance so they can more deeply empathize with the Doctor and his companions.</p>
<p>Rose: Well, she&#8217;s just the absolute Mary-Sue, isn&#8217;t she? Spunky, uneducated, teenage slacker who wears way too much makeup and is the OMG soulmate!!! of the Doctor. &#8216;Nuff said. I ship Nine/Rose but Ten/Rose should be friends only. (Yeah, I know, opposite of most people. Happens a lot.)</p>
<p>Martha: Smart. Brave. Her unrequited love makes us see a new side of the Doctor, one that isn&#8217;t entirely pleasant. (Rather like the abandoning Jack thing.) Martha herself says the Doctor made her feel like second best. This is not the effect the Doctor is supposed to have on companions. Yet I think she&#8217;d be a much better match for the Doctor, seeing as she&#8217;s older, smarter, braver more motivated than Rose. &#8216;Takes all of Rose&#8217;s bad qualities and makes them worse&#8217;??? Excuse me, just what bad qualities are you talking about here? Rose and Martha have practically nothing in common.</p>
<p>Oh, and for people who deplore Piper leaving the show, think: would most of the episodes of the third season have WORKED with Rose? Can you see Rose working as a maid for three months all out of love for the Doctor? (Make her work as a dinner lady for two DAYS and she whines, the slacker.) Can you see the Doc facing down the Master with Rose offering moral support? (The whole point of the Doctor/Master thing was that the Doc felt even more lonely with Rose gone, and felt the loss of his people more keenly.) Can you see Rose traveling the world out of love for her captured Time Lord? Um, no! The Time Vortex thing was pure, dumb luck and Rose had absolutely no idea what she was doing.</p>
<p>Ugh. Yeah. Feels good to get that rant off  my chest.</p>
<p>Probably no one&#8217;s even going to read this. Fantastic.</p>
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		<title>By: Wildcat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wildcat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 06:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rich says:  &quot;My take on the Rose thing is that, while I did enjoy her as a companion for the MOST part, (she had no more or less reason to BE one than any other companion he’s ever had) the whole romance thing really ticked me off.&quot;

Agreeden...

Rich says:  &quot;The Doctor is alien. He’s beyond that sort of thing. Period.&quot;

I have a slightly different take on it at this point.  It always felt to me as if the Doctor&#039;s pasengers were more of a family than anything else.  They were in his charge, and he was responsible for their safety.  Therefore, anything beyond a platonic relationship seems almost incestuous to me.

Meanwhile, his dalliances with anyone *not* already travelling with him, those didn&#039;t bother me.  Snogging Madam de Pompadour or romancing Joan Redfern, no problem.  It doesn&#039;t feel wrong.  The gratuitous kisses between the Doc and Rose, and later between the Doc and Martha -- in her very first appearance, even! -- made me cringe.


Rich says:  &quot;Then comes Martha. Who takes all of Rose’s bad qualities and makes them worse.&quot;

While I also found Martha&#039;s puppy-dog crush to be just as annoying as Rose&#039;s clinginess, this time around was different, in that with Rose, the Doctor returned that affection, even if it was vague and mostly non-committal... with Martha, he seemed more aloof, and largely unaware of her crush.  I&#039;m happy that that aspect ended with the closing scene of The Last of the Time Lords, but I also feel that it should never have been an aspect in the first place...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rich says:  &#8220;My take on the Rose thing is that, while I did enjoy her as a companion for the MOST part, (she had no more or less reason to BE one than any other companion he’s ever had) the whole romance thing really ticked me off.&#8221;</p>
<p>Agreeden&#8230;</p>
<p>Rich says:  &#8220;The Doctor is alien. He’s beyond that sort of thing. Period.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have a slightly different take on it at this point.  It always felt to me as if the Doctor&#8217;s pasengers were more of a family than anything else.  They were in his charge, and he was responsible for their safety.  Therefore, anything beyond a platonic relationship seems almost incestuous to me.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, his dalliances with anyone *not* already travelling with him, those didn&#8217;t bother me.  Snogging Madam de Pompadour or romancing Joan Redfern, no problem.  It doesn&#8217;t feel wrong.  The gratuitous kisses between the Doc and Rose, and later between the Doc and Martha &#8212; in her very first appearance, even! &#8212; made me cringe.</p>
<p>Rich says:  &#8220;Then comes Martha. Who takes all of Rose’s bad qualities and makes them worse.&#8221;</p>
<p>While I also found Martha&#8217;s puppy-dog crush to be just as annoying as Rose&#8217;s clinginess, this time around was different, in that with Rose, the Doctor returned that affection, even if it was vague and mostly non-committal&#8230; with Martha, he seemed more aloof, and largely unaware of her crush.  I&#8217;m happy that that aspect ended with the closing scene of The Last of the Time Lords, but I also feel that it should never have been an aspect in the first place&#8230;</p>
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